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Hi, Cherilyn, I'm looking for a cousin by the name of Sheila Bell last heard of as being in Australia - not sure where. Possible other names used Sheila Bartlett or Sheila Wunder. I had an email from this contact once before and now cannot reach her. Please help if you can.
Lilian

Thanks Cherilyn..it is a mess isnt it!..In the back of my mind I seem to remember a letter mum was sent..something about Paul Albert Frank,changing his name by deed poll.I cant find him in the births under Lohmann,only Frank.Will order the marraige to Franks in 1874 and the last birth which is Norah in 1904.It should list all siblings(fingers crossed).Then I will try and get in touch with my cousin and see if she is aware of anyone in the family with a marraige cert for Mary Ann and Wilhelm.If not then I will have to send for that..I will definately let you know what I find and a big thank you once again..you are very kind..xx

Omg angela, what a mess!!! I think there is nothing for it but to order the 2 marriage certs...or her death cert, though that will rely on the knowledge of the informant.

I would suggest she did marry Hogar but the marriage did not last long and she 'took up with' Wilhelm, with whom she had most of the chn. They must have decided to marry in 1910. Can't see a divorce in the papers but that doesn't mean much...

If you do decide to order them I would really love to know what they say!!!

Carl is shown as Wilhelm's father on his death reg, mother Fredericka.

:-)

Hi Cherilyn...sorry for being a nuisance..picking your brains here...
Mary Ann Shegorrick married Hogar Frank in 1874 Queensland..
Mary Ann Frank married Wilhelm Lohmann 1910 Queensland..
Do you think these are 2 seperate marraiges..to 2 seperate people or are Frank and Lohmann the same person...the only death I can find is in 1939 for a Hugo Franks so that would mean Mary Ann would have had to be divorced...I am so muddled..the last child she had was in 1904 and that was Norah whos surname was Sheggorick..some of the children born as Frank are registered in the same year as Lohmann..this is really hard to understand...if you can help me at all I would be so grateful..xx

Oh Cherilyn...thank you so much for the extra bits you have found...can you see what I mean about the name changes though? Was this common..I mean to go from Hogar Frank to William and then have the extra Frederick added on...misspellings I understand...
Can I ask please about the parents death..there is a Carl in there..who would this relate to???
Big hug from another Aussie who would love to be there now..xxx

Hello again cherilyn. Well I did as you suggested and Kerri very kindly found me margaret leonards death details, so having just downloaded the cert from vicbmd I'm more confused than ever!!!!!! It definitely says she was born in Willunga in 1858, died 1938 in Vic, and was married aged 18 in Chiltern Vic. I make that about 1876, francis born 1877, all right and proper, BUT the marriage is not coming up on vicbmd. It's beginning to look very much like they never married, unless I'm missing something? Can I get your views on this? Thanks again, linda :)

edit: kerri also suggested raogk so have sent off to one of them.

Hi cherilyn, thanks for that, as you say if it's there!! Have just realised that margaret was probably underage if born in 1858 and had her first child in 1877. Fingers crossed and thanks again for your help, regards Linda :)

Hi again Linda

Try Kerri's SA lookups thread

If it is there, she will find it!

:-)

Angelas ashes, depends on how recent these events are..

Oh I see them:

births:
1889/C8783 August Alexander Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgreck
1894/C8587 Archibald Lohmann William Mary Ann Gregorek
1896/C8455 Thomas Andrew Lohmann William Mary Gryegorek
1904/C9001 Norah Lohmann William Mary Ann Grzegonek


deaths
1894/C3235 Archibald Lohmann William Lohmann Mary Ann Gregorek
1900/C2273 Zuleika Mary Lohmann Wilhelm Lohmann Mary Schagorrick
1904/C3016 Norah Lohmann William Lohmann Mary Ann Grzegorek
1949/C3239 Paul Albret Lohmann William Mary Grzegorek
1951/C1921 George Norman Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgorek
1955/B10428 William Alfred Lohmann - Mary Ann Shegorrick
1959/C643 Michael Anthony Lohmann William Mary Ann Gregorek
1959/B33588 Charles Ernest Lohmann Willheim Mary Schgorrick
1959/B35419 Joseph Arthur Lohmann Hoger Frank Mary Ann Shirorick
1960/B41110 August Alexander Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgreck

parents deaths:
1924/B44660 William Fredrick Lohmann [father] Carl Lohmann [mother] Fredericka Hertsberg
1926/C1781 Mary Ann Lohmann [f] Michael Grzegorek - ** born Germany aged 72 years

The Brisbane Courier, Monday 15 December 1924
LOHMANN- The friends of Mrs WILLIAM FREDERICK LOHMANN and family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of her beloved Husband and their Father, Mr William Frederick Lohmann, to move from his late residence, Carl-Street, Thompson Estate, this Monday Forenoon, at 10 o'clock, to the South Brisbane Cemetery.

The Brisbane Courier, Wednesday 14 April 1926
LOHMANN-The Interment of MARY ANN LOHMANN, deceased, Relict of the late Wilhelm F. T. Lohmann, will take place at the South Brisbane Cemetery, THIS (Wednesday) AFTERNOON, at 8 o'clock.

Burial records see http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE::pc=PC_899

Qld certs are quite expensive, A$35 each. See http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/justice-services/births-deaths-and-marriages

Good luck, hope this helps.

Thanks for looking Cherilyn, didn't think I could have missed it! Well, that is so odd. Nicholas was too young to have married in the Uk and margaret was born in Vic, perhaps they never actually married?!! Thanks again, linda :)
No she wasn't she was born in Wilunga SA, I wonder if they married there, and how to go about finding out?

Surname: LEONARD
Given Names: Francis James
Event: B
Father: Nicholas
Mother: Margaret HUGHES
Birth Place: BARN
Year: 1887
Reg Number: 25965

The first birth is in 1877 in Albury, right there on the NSW-Vic border. But no marriage found in Vic or NSW (or NZ). From 1886, they were in Corowa, except for the one Vic birth above of course.

Sorry :-(

Hi Cherilyn...can you help me out please..I have found the most enormous amount of family in Australia and they have changed their names Hugo/HogarFrank to William/WilhelmLohmann and mother has gone from Mary Ann Shergorick to Grezegorick....they are in Queensland...what I need to know is,how do I order certificates and how much do they cost please...thanks very much...

Hi cherilyn, this one has got me puzzled!! Nicholas Leonard was born in c 1844 in rush dublin, he came first to nz then victoria, then nsw where he stayed until his death in 1916. He married a margaret hughes, and they had several children. But I can't find the marriage!!! I'm pretty sure it was in either nsw or vic and not nz, and I'm really hoping it was nsw where the records are so much better and it may give us his mothers name. I know his father was a michael leonard from his death cert, but the death was registered by one of his sons, who gives his grandmother as unknown???? All the children appear to have been born in nsw in the 1880's. Thanking you in advance for anything you may find. Regards Linda :)

Re the morans, no connection it appears!! PS never did hear back from the bird on ancestry!!!!!

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No worries, Linda

Just to add - NZ birth from https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
1906/3386 Moran Rollo Vincent [m] Ada Kathleen [f] Patrick Francis

Can't see any others born there.

Patrick wasn't the Reverend was he???

Lol about your PM by the way!

Thanks so much again cherilyn. I may be able to redeem myself, don't believe they have all the details you've provided!! Regards Linda :)

Chn of Patrick & Ada Kathleen:

1. Eric Jas Larner b. 1896 Qld, d. 1969 aged 73 'Park' Vic
2. Victor Francis b. 1898 Qld, m. Ethel GALLAGHER 1921 Sydney NSW, d. 1966 aged 67 Heidelberg Vic
3. ?Ellen P b. 1898 Sydney NSW
4. Stella Victoria b. 1902 Heidelberg Vic, m. Albert CRISP 1933 Vic, d. 1977 aged 75 'Glen' Vic
5. Leo Patrick b. 1904 Malvern Vic
6. Rollo Vincent b. 1906 NZ, m. Doris May McLACHLAN 1929 Paddington NSW, d. 1969 Burwood NSW

MORAN Eric James : Service Number - 10168 : Place of Birth - Townsville QLD : Place of Enlistment - Warwick Farm NSW : Next of Kin - (Father) MORAN Patrick F

MORAN Victor Francis : Service Number - 3596 : Place of Birth - Brisbane QLD : Place of Enlistment - Sydney NSW : Next of Kin - (Father) MORAN Patrick Francis

MORAN VICTOR FRANCIS : Service Number - 2943 : Date of birth - 03 Oct 1898 : Place of birth - COOTAMUNDRA NSW : Place of enlistment - Unknown : Next of Kin - MORAN PATRICK

MORAN LEO PATRICK : Service Number - NX208071 : Date of birth - 25 Jan 1910 : Place of birth - GEELONG VIC : Place of enlistment - PADDINGTON NSW : Next of Kin - MORAN ALICE

MORAN ROLLO VINCENT : Service Number - 18756 : Date of birth - 27 Apr 1906 : Place of birth - AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - DORIS

Haha!! Methinks she has added the name ada to her boring old one name of kate, as you say, all the others had 2 or more!! I did ask if they had any birth details but no reply as yet, so my hubby has some more cousins to contend with!! Thanks so much for looking, regards Linda :)

Yep here she is and it seems your Ancestry contact was correct:

Surname: MORAN
Given Names: Kathleen Ada
Father: Larner James
Mother: Unknown BROWN
Death Place: CAMB
Age: 90
Year: 1962
Reg Number: 24851
Event: D

Age fits with b. 1871 as well.

Hi Linda

No sign of her birth in Qld, NSW or WA.

The only possible match in Vic is this one:

Surname: LARNER
Given Names: Kate
Event: B
Father: James
Mother: Elizabeth BROWN
Birth Place: BALL
Year: 1871
Reg Number: 7043

Mind you all the other chn had 2 or 3 given names so is a bit odd poor Kate only got the one!

I will see if I can find her death or marriage in Vic.