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Hi
I’ve been researching my family for sometime now but I seem to have hit a brick wall with one particular branch.

In 1871 I have the following
LLOYD, Stephen Head M 52 1819 Pembrokeshire
LLOYD, Jane Wife F 38 1833 Pembrokeshire
LLOYD, Margaret Daughter F 13 1858 Pembrokeshire
LLOYD, William Son M 11 1860 Pembrokeshire
LLOYD, David Son M 9 1862 Pembrokeshire
LLOYD, Stephen Son M 6 1865 Pembrokeshire

RG number:RG10 Piece:5539 Folio:27 Page:8


They are in Penbank Nevern Trewern quarter.

By 1881 Stephen senior has died and widow Jane is with daughter Elizabeth in Plasyberth Nevern.
RG11 Piece:5426 Folio:9 Page:12


I have David born July 1861 in 1881,1891,1901 and 1911 so he’s no problem but I can’t find any of the other children in 1881.
I have the all the previous census for this family.
There is also another son John who was born in 1852 who also seems to go missing after 1871.
I have all the birth dates and baptisms for the children from parish records. All the children were born in Nevern.
I would be really grateful if someone could locate them after 1871.
Von

Poss for Stephen

1881 Wales Census
about Stephen Lloyd
Name: Stephen Lloyd
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanwnda Par, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llanwnda
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Farmhouse
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farm Servant Indoor

Registration district: Haverfordwest
Sub-registration district: Fishguard
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Owen 54
Mary Owen 40
Martha Owen 16
Ann Owen 13
John M. Owen 10
William R. Owen 8
David Owen 5
Ruth M. Owen 1
Stephen Lloyd 17


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1871 Wales Census
about Stephen Lloyd
Name: Stephen Lloyd
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Cilgwyn Quarter Nevern
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Lloyd 51
Jane Lloyd 38
Margaret Lloyd 13
William Lloyd 11
David Lloyd 9
Stephen Lloyd 6

Can't say Welsh geography is a strong point.... is this any good for Stephen?

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 5424 Folio: 18 Page: 1
Address: Farmhouse, Llanwnda County: Pembrokeshire
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OWEN, William Head Married M 54 1827 Farmer Of 50 Ac One Boy Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, Mary Wife Married F 40 1841 Farmers Wife Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, Martha Daughter Single F 16 1865 Farmers Daughter Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, Ann Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, John M Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, William R Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, David Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
OWEN, Ruth M Daughter Single F 1 1880 Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales
LLOYD, Stephen Servant Single M 17 1864 Farm Servant Indoor Llanwnda Par Pembrokeshire Wales



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Ginny
Thank you. I thought about that one but not sure about place of birth.
However in the absence of any other I'll go with him meanwhile.
Thanks again
Von

Possible?

1881 Wales Census
about Margaret Lloyd
Name: Margaret Lloyd
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Penwernddu, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Maenclochog
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Castle Inn
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Llandissilio
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Caleb Melchior 26
Ruth Melchior 27
Eunice Howell 22
Margaret Lloyd 22

Catch up 'T'


The Welsh are marginally easier than the Irish to find!

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i was tyding mine up while the rest of the world posted in long hand.

I do hate messy posts..... i'll be sure to rush next time G and paste the lot!!

T xx

:-)

Three possible marriages for Margaret:

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Henry Davies 1884 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Margaret Lloyd 1884 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Thomas John Lloyd 1884 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Mary Mathias 1884 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire

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Phoebe Griffiths 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Thomas Lewis 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Margaret Lloyd 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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David Owens 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Jane Price 1888 Brecknock Breconshire, Powys


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Evan Davies 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Mary Lewis 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Margaret Lloyd 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire
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Thomas Rees 1888 Cardigan Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire

Edit : Same as ..

Tracey
Thank you. As I said to Ginny I wasn't sure about the place of birth but I've just checked the 1871 again and there is only on Stephen Lloyd of that age born in Pembrokeshire so guess that must be him.
Thank you again for your help.
Von

Von

Don't worry me n G go back a while, she's teasing me and i'm just being mardy with her....lol.

It won't last long, she'll soon be begging for help somewhere eh G ??..:-P

Von, sometimes they don't jump out at you immediately, however it doesn't mean the one we have found is yours!

There could be enumeration issues as to why they are not where you'd expect to find them. I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to 'claim' them as yours yet.... see what else comes up.

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Tracey
Thank you. I think that's why I've dismissed so many of them as they are not quite right.
It's so easy to trace the wrong family with Welsh rellies so I suppose I'm over cautious but if someone else comes up with the same family then there's a psssibility it's them.
Thanks again for the help.

David thank you. Just going to check them out
Von
Edit possibility even. Haven't touched a drop!!!

David
Thank you for the marriages. I've now checked them out and Margaret Lloyd married Thomas Lewis in Dec 1888.

In 1891 census Margaret's sister Elizabeth is living with them so definitely
correct marriage.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me with this although I'm still missing two possibly three sons.
Von

Von

Will take another look later when I have a bit of time. They have to be out there somewhere!

Tracey......I couldnt live with (out) you ;) Von, you'll get used to us, it's all in good humour....she's a star really (dont tell her I said that)

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Ginny
That would be good thank you.
With David's help I found Margaret. found her marriage, got her in 1891 and1901 only to lose her in 1911. Grrr
I don't think she died but there is a possible death for her husband before 1911.
I'll keep looking though as you say they are out there somewhere.
Thanks again
Von

Von

Have you got this one for Jane?

1891 Wales Census
about Jane Lloyd
Name: Jane Lloyd <<<<<<<Widow
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Nevern
Ecclesiastical parish: Nevern Cilgwyn Quarter
Town: Newport
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Lloyd 58 <<Living on own means



Hmmmmm Ive just checked the 81 census for Jane and she is a char women, so I cant see this being her as she is living on her own means....unless she came into moneu of course!

This looks like William in 1901. He's a butcher as was his father.

1901 Wales Census
about William Lloyd
Name: William Lloyd
Age in 1901: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystradyfodwg St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
William Lloyd 38 <<<Married
Margaret Lloyd 21 <<Daughter<<Single

Well somethings not right here. Either the age of Margaret has been entered wrongly or the enumerator has entered the relationship wrong?

Ooo, I suppose he could have had his daughter VERY young

Ginny
Thank you.
1891 Jane is still living in the same house as 1881. A property called Plasyberth. I don't know who owned the house but several members of my family lived there at one time or another.
I think in rural Wales "living on own means " just meant you weren't working but weren't a pauper. Didn't necessarily mean you had lots of cash.
Her son was a butcher so probably got given meat and almost all my Welsh family grew their own veg etc and eeked out a living.
I don't know about paying rent but maybe the children helped out
I'll have a look at the William you found as both his father and brother were butchers so would make sense.
Thanks again for your help. It helps to have a fresh pair of eyes.
take care
Von

Ginny
I'm on a roll now you've found William as I've just found his marriage.
Thank you, thankyou
Von
Edit. Meant to say that I have William's birth as 1859 according to parish records so he would have been a bit older than age given