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1841 for Mary Kelly definitely show not born in county. So, the births Mel found are probably not her.

Her death should have been registered though.

Name: William Charles Hanson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1837
Father's name: William Henry Hanson
Mother's name: Hannah Matilda Hanson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

(address, Hackney Road, fathers occ. Master Mariner)

Just adding this, to go with marriage posted earlier, not sure where they are 1841 though...

Chris :)

Oh my!

What was he doing there I wonder?! And a commerical traveller at 74?!

So there was another daughter - Harriet M. b. c1853 in Shebbear! This is huge! I think I need to find the 1861/71 censuses for this family now!!!

Oh wow I have just found this!!

1881 England Census
about William Kelly
Name: William Kelly
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth. Kelly
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Mina Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Commercial Traveller

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2494
Folio: 44
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
William Kelly 74 Born Middx
Elizth. Kelly 70 Born Middx
Harrt. M. Kelly 28 BORN SHEBBEAR DEVON*********

Ok since you have had such great success with this lot, can I stretch the request to John Ebenezer's brothers please? :-D

They were:
William Charles KELLY b. 1843 Shaldon, Devon
and
Thomas KELLY b. 1845 Shaldon, Devon

Both sons of the Reverend Wm and his 2nd wife Elizabeth (nee KRAUSHAAR)

I have had no luck finding them in 1881.

Thank you!
:-)

Wondering about those two births on FreeBMD...the numbers are so similar I wonder if they are the same birth and it is a transcriber discrepancy...?

Hey Mel, I saw that one in Iddlesleigh, but then there was about about half dozen in the same place with same parents so I discounted it. But being such a religious family it seems unlikely that they would not have christened her. Grr!

Still, musn't grumble, it has all fitted together so wonderfully, I had given up getting further back and now have lots to go on with :-) thanks to all the lovely GR helpers!

MARY ANN KELLEY Pedigree
Female


Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 APR 1840 Iddesleigh, Devon, England



Parents:
Father: WM KELLEY Family
Mother: ELIZ


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

There seems to be two Mary Kelly's born the same time in Newton Abbot. Blast!!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Kelly
Name: Mary Kelly
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1841
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 154

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Kelly
Name: Mary Kelly
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1841
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 159

And both the same months!!!!!!!!!!

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. Mary Kelly (Hally) was about 3 months old then. So the birth should be Jan Feb Mar 1841. It was'nt compulsary to register a birth until 1875 when you were fined for not registering.

oh that is brilliant, thank you Mel!

Just found this too

Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LEMON Matilda Elizabeth 53 Leicester 7a 152

There is Lake Methosist Chapel at Shebbear College.

The marriage that Chris put up says Charles Kelly father of the said minor.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Hannah Matilda Kelly
Name: Hannah Matilda Kelly
Spouse Name: William Henry Hanson
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1830
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney

(witnesses, Charles Kelly, Helen R?oss, by licence with consent of Charles Kelly, father of minor)

I can't find a birth, christening or death for Mary F KELLY c1840-1! :-(

(I expected it to be in Cambridgeshire?)

Just found this - a good fit, especially the Methodist and Shebbear connections!

...as a 'Bible woman' which almost certainly meant that she was able to preach on the Bible and belonged to a sect called the 'Bible Christians'. They were a breakaway group from the Methodists who allowed and encouraged preaching by women, unheard of then in the mainstream churches ... Shebbear was an important base in Devon... The Bible Christians settled their differences and rejoined the Methodists early in the 20th century.

By the by, looking at the christening for Wm KELLY in 1806 to Chas & Hannah, I found another at St Luke Old Street, Finsbury to same parents -
Hannah Matilda KELLY! b. 26 April 1810, chr. 20 May 1810.

But can't find her after that. Anyone??? Please ;-)

I need to go to the library on Saturday so might take advantage of the free Anc access they have...not sure how much more it will tell me tho!

Oh good work, Potty! I had found that birth this afternoon and it had me concerned we had the wrong family.

Though Matilda does look like a good match - especially with her being a 'Bible woman' - whatever that is!

I was quite surprised to see Chas' occupation as stockbroker - surely that didn't that have the same meaning in the early 1800s as it does today?!

Chris - that piece about Wm certainly puts him in Old Gravel Lane at the time of Matilda & Wm Hy's births there. Though he did not stay there until 1858...

Mel - that's fantastic! They had some sort of celebration a couple of years ago and invited my mother as a descendant but of course she could not afford the airfare. The web site does not have as much history as it used to :( so I'd love to know more. There was someone at the College office who sent me a copy of a page from an old book that mentioned Wm in his time as headmaster there, which was lovely, and a photo of a plaque.

Possible death for William Henry:

Deaths Sep 1838 (>99%)
Kelly William Henry St Geo : East 2 57

I live about a mile from Shebbear College and it is still a college today.

Well done Chris, so it looks as if we have the right baptism for Matilda. There is another Kelly child baptised at the same church. He doesn't appear on the 1841, so possibly died:

WILLIAM HENRY KELLY
Birth: 21 NOV 1835

Christening: 14 FEB 1836 Old Gravel Lane Saint George In The East Independest, Stepney, London, England
Parents:
Father: WM. KELLY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH