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Thank for the info it's very useful I have followed what you gave me and it has helped a great deal I believe that Elizabeth frudd b:1816 the wife of Luke Dawson may have been a niece of John frudd or possibly grand daughter I have found a George hinchliff frudd b:1816 that could indeed be her twin brother and possibly parents Thomas Edward frudd and a Sarah frudd but will do more research when time permits me to do so anyhow in the meantime thanks again for your help ????

Luke's parents, with son Matthew and his wife and child:

John Dawson
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Dawson
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Elmley
Hundred: Agbrigg (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Bretton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1268
Book: 15
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dawson 65
Sarah Dawson 60
Mathew Dawson 25
Elizabeth Dawson 20
Sarah Dawson 9 Mo


John's death:

John Dawson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
Name: John Dawson
Death Age: 68
Birth Year: abt 1775
Burial Date: 7 May 1843
Parish: Emley, St Michael, Yorkshire, England


There are several possible deaths for Sarah, 1841-51 in Wakefield reg district.
Also a few in Ashton, where Matthew was living in 1851.

Possibly Luke's sister Sarah ??

Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
DAWSON Sarah Wakefield 22 604
Green George Wakefield 22 604


Sarah Ann Green
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Green
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Dodworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Dodworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 177
Piece: 3449
Folio: 36
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
George Green 40
Sarah Ann Green 41
Matilda Green 12
Azilla Green 9
George Green 6
Sarah Ann Green 3



Sarah A Green
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah A Green
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barugh
Ecclesiastical parish: Gawber
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 4647
Folio: 109
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah A Green 50
George Green 15
Thomas Reed Cestone 20 [Surname is Ruddlesdin] - son-in-law
Azellale Cestone 20 - daughter
Annie Cestone 3 Months - grand-daughter



Sarah Ann Green
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Green
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relationship to Head: Mother in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Emmsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Worsbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Thos St
Marital Status: Widow
Registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4610
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ruddlesdin 30
Azillah Ruddlesdin 29
Annie Ruddlesdin 10
Joseph Ruddlesdin 7
Lucy Ruddlesdin 4
Sarah Ann Green 61
Edwin Lund 36 - visitor
James Henry Charlesworth 22 - boarder



Sarah Green
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Green
Age: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: Barnsley Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3776
Folio: 116
Page Number: 11



Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
GREEN Sarah Ann 72 Barnsley 9c 114

Matthew ??

Matthew Dawson
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Matthew Dawson
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dawson
Gender: Male
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Mossley St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 2238
Folio: 223
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Dawson 34 - blacksmith
Elizabeth Dawson 31
Sarah Dawson 4
Seth Dawson 7
Hannah Dawson 3
James L Dawson 1
Joseph Dawson 41 - nephew [??], blacksmith



Mathew Dawson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mathew Dawson
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dawson
Gender: Male
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Saddleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lydgate St Ann
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Delph
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 305
Piece: 3238
Folio: 34
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Mathew Dawson 44
Elizabeth Dawson 41
Sarah Dawson 20
Seth Dawson 17
Annah Dawson 12
James Dawson 11
Alice Dawson 1

Siblings?



Mary Ann Dawson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Mary Ann Dawson
Parish: Emley, St Michael
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1813
Father: John Dawson (weaver)
Mother: Sarah Dawson

There's also this for Mary Ann, with different date, but there's no image to view, so maybe a mistranscription:

Mary Ann Dawson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Ann Dawson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1813
Baptism Place: Emley,York,England
Father: John Dawson
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 0844557, 0599995



Sarah Vine Dawson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Sarah Vine Dawson
Parish: Emley, St Michael
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1819
Father: John Dawson
Mother: Sarah Dawson


Mattheus Dawks [Dawson on image]
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Mattheus Dawks [Matthew on image]
Parish: Emley, St Michael
Baptism Date: 19 May 1816
Father: John Dawks [ Dawson on image]
Mother: Sarah Dawks



EDIT:
also a different transcription of Sarah's christening - Anne instead of Vine:

Sarah Anne Dawson
England Births and Christenings
Name Sarah Anne Dawson
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Jul 1819
Christening Place EMLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Dawson
Mother's Name Sarah

His christening??

Luke Dawson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Luke Dawson
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 17 May 1807
Baptism Place: Emley,York,England
Father: John Dawson
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 0844557, 0599995


Do you already know anything about his parents or siblings?
If so, please let us know, to avoid unnecessary duplication of research.

From the previous posts, we know he married in Emley.

1861 census says he was also born there:

Luke Dawson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Luke Dawson
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dawson
Gender: Male
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Dodworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Dodworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 3448
Folio: 71
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Dawson 53
Elizabeth Dawson 45
Matthew Dawson 18
Elizabeth Dawson 15
Luke Dawson 13
John Dawson 8
Walter Dawson 3

His YOB varies from 1807 to 1811, depending on which census you look at.

Welcome to the boards, Simon.

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You can try contacting him privately - just click on his name at the top of his post, and GR will send him an email to let him know he has a message from you - that's if he's still using the email address he registered with GR.

In the meantime I'll see if I can find anything about Luke's parents and siblings, and I'm sure other helpers will try too.

Luke Dawson and Elizabeth frudd are my 4xgreat grand parents following the line of their son Henry his son Allen then on to Richard Dawson and on to my grand mother Margaret Dawson (married name Taylor) I appear to have hit a brick wall though in getting any further with the parents or siblings of Luke the trail just seems to dry up. I shall keep plodding on though till I succeed.

If Elizabeth had been born in 1806, she would have been 52 when she had Walter. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

Thanks Mike

According to those trees, John had a daughter Elisabeth but she died as a child


Elisabeth Frudd
Birth 25 Dec 1782 in Emley, Yorkshire, England.
Death 14 Jan 1785


Perhaps the 25 yr old Elizabeth in 1841 census is a granddaughter named after the dead infant.

Another possibility is that the Elizabeth Frudd born 1806 died and then the same name was given to a daughter born later.

John Frudd was a separate entry

1841

John Frudd

Age:90
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1751
Where born:Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Darton
Hundred:Staincross
County/Island:Yorkshire

Street Address:
Registration District:Ecclesfield
Sub-registration District:Cawthorne



John Frudd 90 - Independent - born Yorkshire

And don't forget people in those days did'nt keep their birthdays like we do today. Most of them could'nt read or write and would just say a year out of the top of their heads.

Thanks for your help. I have to go away from the computer till tomorrow

Marriages before 1837 never seem to have the fathers names on them so the marriage cert would'nt help in that score.

I think you could get married at 15 but not sure if it was around 1831 though. You could get married at the age of 12 at one time.

Thanks Mel, this is why I am confused. If she was christened in 1806 all the ages she gave in the census 1841 through to 1891 were 10 years out! and she should have been born 1815/6. If she married Luke in Feb 1831 then her census ages meant she was only 15 when she married.

mother: Ann Frudd
Name Elizabeth Frudd
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 May 1806
Christening Place EMLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Ann Frudd*********
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number P00760-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 0844557, 0599995
Reference ID

Looks like Ann may not have been married as on a christening it is usually the fathers name and mothers first name.