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Hi,

I'm having immense problems trying to find a Winifred violet Alice Houghton.

She married Lawrence Houghton in 1974, I have their marriage certificate and it states that she was divorced and changed her name to Houghton by deed poll but then married Lawrence, says her fathers name is Joseph Bartlett. She was 59 when she married Lawrence so she was either born 1914 or 1915. She has probably died now but having trouble finding a death record as well....please help

Well if she has passed after c2006 then death record won't be online

Not got the right sub on FMP to view this record

Queensland Education Gazette
Bartlett Winifred Violet A 1927

But it could be the wrong person

Where was this, please? I can't see a birth for a Winifred V.A. Bartlett.

Not found one on scotlandspeople either

Thanks for the help guys. Don't know where she would have been either, last place I have her residing in is Waltham forest

Could she have married again?


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) WINIFRED VIOLET
Last name THORN
Gender Female
Birth day 29
Birth month 4
Birth year 1915
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1994
District EALING
District number 2261C
Register number C29D
Entry number 209
Date of registration mm/yy 1094
County London
Country England




England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) WINIFRED V
Last name HOUGHTON
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1988
Registration month 10
MarriageFinder™ WINIFRED V HOUGHTON married
ALBERT C THORN
Spouse's last name THORN
District EALING
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 12
Page 108



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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ALBERT CHARLES
Last name THORN
Gender Male
Birth day 11
Birth month 1
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 2004
District EALING
District number 226/1
Register number A50D
Entry number 018
Date of registration mm/yy 0804
County London

She might have done again, it looks like she may have just added Alice in her name, because on the marriage cert it states Winifred violet Houghton (no Alice). But that's a big help thank you I'll look in to that

This would definitely fit and allow her to be free to marry again in 1988

Name:
Lawrence Houghton
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1977
Registration District:
Waltham Forest
County:
Essex
Event Place:
Waltham Forest, Essex, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969):
04 Jan 1908
Volume:
15
Page:
0805
Line Number:
63

Ah thank you so much everyone :-)

Well her birth would be reg in June qtr. but this is the only one coming up .different second initial
Births Jun 1915
Bartlett Winifred E Allen Fulham 1a 534

But the area does look promising

?????? Although the partners may not mix

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Allen Selina Gloucester 6a 703
Bartlett Joe Gloucester 6a 703
Biddle George W Gloucester 6a 703
Preece Annie E Gloucester 6a 703

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BIDDLE George William ALLEN Selina Gloucester Gloucester Register Office 1911 24 88

Just for elimination, re: the Queensland Education Gazette that GlitterBaby mentioned above - it is a false result, on the image it's a Winifred MAY Bartlett.

Was her father's occupation recorded on the marriage cert?

Have you tried to find her first marriage?

Long shot for her first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)
Bartlett Winifred V Tolman Pancras 1b 76
Tolman Harry E S Bartlett Pancras 1b 76

No children of the marriage, per FreeBMD.


Harry died, but I can't see a death for a Winifred V Tolman:

Harry E S Tolman
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Harry E S Tolman
Birth Date: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Dec 1945
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Southend on Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 811

been following this with interest so my ideas !!

as there seems to be no birth cert that fits for Winifred Violet Bartlett 1914 ish could she be Irish ?? or born illigit and mother married later to a Joseph Bartlett ??

the Winifred V Bartlett who married Harry Edward S Tolman as Harry died 1945 she dos'nt seem to have remarried so there would not have been a divorce as stated about Winifred V Bartlett/Hougton -- perhaps she died after 2006

I have had a study of the Winifred V Bartlett who married Frank/Francis Victor O'Higgins Sep Q 1939 Brentford 3a 1608
Winifred and Frank/Francis are together after 2nd world war on the elec roll in Ealing to 1963 at least -- they had 3 children 2 born Somerset because of the war
and 1 in Brentford but they all married in Ealing

Frank died june 1983 Ealing -- Dob - 10 Nov 1914
again no death or marriage for Winifred V O'Higgins unless again it was after 2006
so I surpose the way to find out if either of the Winifreds was a Violet and had a father Joseph would be to have a copy of the marriage [s]

there is a Joseph Bartlett who married a Ann M Tolly Mar Q 1920 Brentford 3a 396
no Bartlett/Tolly births so was she a widow ?

was there any occupation for Joseph Bartlett presume dec.


that's my say

Mavis

I understand what you're saying about Winifred Bartlett who married Harry Tolman.

However, I was guessing she might have divorced Harry, on or before meeting Lawrence.
We don't know what surname she was using before changing it to Houghton.

Does the marriage cert to Lawrence say what her first married name was?

Does it say when she changed her name by deed poll, to give us an idea of how long she and Lawrence were together?
They might have been together, unmarried, for 30 or 40 years.

would be nice if Ashleigh could perhaps give us a few more details on
both of the Houghtons

how long they lived together ?

did it say on the marriage what Joseph 's job may have been ?


Mavis

Hiiii

I haven't abandoned or ignored this post, I've been on long days past couple days so haven't been on and only just got home now.


Good shout on the Tolman marriage, that could possibly be a match for her first marriage and the o'higgins. The marriage cert for Winifred and Lawrence was in 1974 but previous surname does just says 'change by deed poll' and states previous marriage devolved. Lawrence didn't want to divorce his previous wife which was Mary Madigan so he just decided to wait till she died. He left Mary in about 1947/48.

Joseph Bartlett (Winifreds dad) doesn't have a profession on there. But even if she was born overseas surely there would be some sort of record.