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Eunice
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28 Apr 2016 22:15 |
Been asked to post this by work colleague who is going to 'take over' looking after an untended military grave in Lancashire. It says The Kings Own, with the Lion emblazoned, then 17471 PRIVATE P YATES, Royal Lancaster Regiment 9th May 1921; I have done a quick search but cannot find P Yates; i am presuming P was male of course. Will I have to apply to the RLR regimental museum do you think? :-S
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28 Apr 2016 22:34 |
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Silver War Badge Roll Transcription
First name(s) Peter Last name Yates Service number 17471 Rank Private Badge number 40637 Enlistment date 30-Jan-1915 Discharge date 29-Oct-1915 Regiment/unit Royal Lancaster Regiment Cause of discharge Para 392 King's Regulation (xvi) Wounds Whether served overseas Yes Badge date of issue 29-Jan-1917 Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain
Available on Find My Past
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malyon
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28 Apr 2016 22:39 |
http://www.kingsownmuseum.plus.com/
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Joseph
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28 Apr 2016 22:40 |
This from Findmypast
Silver War Badge Roll Transcription
First name(s) Peter Last name Yates Service number 17471 Rank Private Badge number 40637 Enlistment date 30-Jan-1915 Discharge date 29-Oct-1915 Regiment/unit Royal Lancaster Regiment Cause of discharge Para 392 King's Regulation (xvi) Wounds Whether served overseas Yes Badge date of issue 29-Jan-1917
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28 Apr 2016 22:41 |
Peter Yates in the UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
Name: Peter Yates Discharge Unit: Royal Lancaster Regiment Regiment: King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment Regimental Number: 17471 Rank: Pte. Badge Number: 40637 Piece: 3071 List Number: H 0401-0800 Record Group: WO Record Class: 329
Available on Ancestry - transcript as above but with image of original listings paperwork
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Eunice
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28 Apr 2016 22:46 |
wow! Thank you all so very much!!!! You are amazing! <3
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28 Apr 2016 22:47 |
Probably death reg
Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%) Yates Peter 32 Wharfedale 9a 167
Wharfedale covers Atherton - EDIT - wrong Atherton BUT its the only death reg 1Q - 4Q 1921 for a male P Yates of the correct age to qualify for a CWG
So born c1889
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28 Apr 2016 22:48 |
Grave can be seen at : https://billiongraves.com/grave/P-Yates/4487808
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28 Apr 2016 22:51 |
Considering the Atherton connection
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Peter Yates Age in 1911: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Atherton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Atherton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 289a North Rd Atherton Lancs Marital Status: Single Occupation: Charge Hand Boltworks Registration district: Leigh Registration District Number: 460 Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 23240
Edward Yates 28 Moses Yates 26 Peter Yates 21 Martha Yates 19
All the Yates are single siblings
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28 Apr 2016 22:52 |
DetEcTive mentions Atherton - it's late for me have I missed something? EDIT - I see the Grave picture ?? England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
First name(s) Peter Last name Yates Gender Male Birth year 1889 Birth place - Baptism year 1889 Baptism date 01 Dec 1889 Residence Atherton, Lancashire, England Place Atherton County Lancashire Country England Father's first name(s) Peter Father's last name Yates Mother's first name(s) Martha Mother's last name -
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28 Apr 2016 22:56 |
CWGC says the burial was in Atherton Cemetery.
The baptism does match with the parents on the 1901
Peter Yates Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Peter Yates Birth Place: Atherton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Atherton Search Photos: Search for 'Atherton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Atherton St John the Baptist Town: Atherton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Leigh Sub-registration district: Atherton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3596 Folio: 112 Page Number: 33 Household schedule number: 171
Peter Yates 47 < father, widower Alice Ann Yates 20 Edward Yates 18 Moses Yates 16 Ellen Yates 13 Peter Yates 11 Betty Mather 69 Martha Yates 9
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Eunice
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28 Apr 2016 22:56 |
oh, I was just going to look for any other info, but you have beaten me to it!!!! Lesa (work coll) will be so pleased. Her family have tended Peter's grave for many years as no one else visited ; she was just wondering about him, and knowing I am interested in genealogy asked me to find out anything. Ironically, although his grave says P Yates, she has always referred to him as Peter, just to give him a name!!!! But thank you all once ore. E <3
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28 Apr 2016 22:56 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bag Lane, Atherton, Leigh, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edward Mathew Head Married Male 61 1830 Coal Labourer Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Betty Mathew Wife Married Female 58 1833 - Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Peter Yates Son In Law Married Male 37 1854 Coal Miner Tyldesley, Lancashire, England Martha Yates Wife Married Female 31 1860 Cotton Frame Tenter Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Alice A Yates Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Scholar Atherton, Lancashire, England Edward Yates Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Atherton, Lancashire, England Moses Yates Son Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Atherton, Lancashire, England Helen Yates Daughter Single Female 3 1888 - Atherton, Lancashire, England Peter Yates Son Single Male 1 1890 - Atherton, Lancashire, England
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28 Apr 2016 22:57 |
Leigh Lancashire covers Atherton.
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28 Apr 2016 23:00 |
?? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1889 (>99%) Yates Peter Leigh 8c 292
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28 Apr 2016 23:04 |
Oh well - back to the drawing board :-0
Its just as well greyghost has found the correct birth reg, so the census are still likely to be correct.
Actually, the Wharfedale death is the only one for a P Yates old enough to be a soldier who died 2Q 1921.
Where the CWGs have been 'claimed', all the families have addresses close to the area.
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28 Apr 2016 23:15 |
Peter's parents marriage ?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) Gregory Sarah Leigh 8c 258 Mather Martha Leigh 8c 258 <<<<<<<< ORMEROD William Leigh 8c 258 Yates Peter Leigh 8c 258 <<<<<<<
note MATHER rather than Mathew - which is correct? -----------------------------------------------
looks like it should be MATHER - Martha's parents
Bolton covers Westhoughton where the 1891 census shows they were born
Abbot Betty Bolton 8c 273 <<<<<<<<<< Mather Edward Bolton 8c 273 <<<<<<<<<< McDonald Ann Bolton 8c 273 Morris Robert Bolton 8c 273
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28 Apr 2016 23:25 |
? Peter's Father Peter. Leigh RD covers Tyldesley where 1891 says he's born
Births Mar 1854 (>99%) Yates Peter Leigh
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Eunice
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28 Apr 2016 23:27 |
it is all fascinating, and sad. I hate trawling through soldiers records, all who died so young :-( I have even found my grandfathers .. But thank you everyone, once more, for all of your stirling efforts, much appreciated, as always. :-D
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28 Apr 2016 23:30 |
Possible only for Peter Snr - given his Father is a Moses and he has a son Moses
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Goose, Tyldesley, Leigh, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Moses Yates Head Married Male 36 1825 Coal Miner Worsley, Lancashire, England Alice Yates Wife Married Female 33 1828 Household Work Tyldesley, Lancashire, England John Yates Son Unmarried Male 9 1852 Scholar Tyldesley, Lancashire, England Peter Yates Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Tyldesley, Lancashire, England Alice Ann Yates Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Tyldesley, Lancashire, England Mary Yates Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 Scholar Tyldesley, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Yates Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - Tyldesley, Lancashire, England William Yates Son - Male 0 1861 - Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
*** Moses married to a Sarah by 1871
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