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4 Dec 2016 08:47 |
Hi I am struggling to find the link I need with Henry Emmerson born c1860 in the Nottingham area, he had a son Henry Emmerson born 1886-1942 born Nottingham and moved to Grimsby married to Caroline Beatrice Steer (my g grandparents) any help appreciated.
Thanks Andy
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4 Dec 2016 08:57 |
What link is it you are looking for
Have you found them on any census
How did you get back to them
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4 Dec 2016 09:00 |
His birth cert will give both parents names
HENRY Last name EMMERSON Birth year 1886 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name - District NOTTINGHAM County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Page 363
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4 Dec 2016 09:04 |
Are you sure his dad was also a Henry ??
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 21, Flower Square, Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England William Emmerson Head Married Male 44 1857 Agricultural Labourer Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Rebecca Emmerson Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Lincolnshire, England Henry Emmerson Son Single Male 14 1887 Butchers Assistant Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Frank Smith Boarder Single Male 44 1857 Agricultural Labourer Derby, Derbyshire, England Alfred Tune Grand Son Single Male 0. 1901. Grimsby
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4 Dec 2016 09:05 |
1939 register
Emmerson Household (2 People) 4 Santon Terrace , Scunthorpe M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England Start free family tree View original imagePrint FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION Henry Emmerson 31 Oct 1886 General Works Labourer Caroline Emmerson 15 Oct 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties Ref: RG101/6449A/003/25 Letter Code: TMNA
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4 Dec 2016 09:06 |
Baptism County Nottinghamshire Place Nottingham Church name St John Register type Unspecified Baptism date 01 Dec 1886 Person forename Henry Person sex M Person abode 3 Bishops Row Father forename Henry Father surname EMERSON Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Matilda
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
(if him)
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Burial County Lincolnshire Place Grimsby Church name Cemetery (Scartho Road) Register type Unspecified Burial date 27 Dec 1950 Person age 63 Burial person forename Caroline Beatrice Burial person surname EMMERSON Register note Died 22/12/1950
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4 Dec 2016 09:17 |
Marriage Henry Last name Emmerson Sex Male Age 21 Birth year 1887 Residence 73 Buller St Marriage year 1908 Marriage date 26 Feb 1908 Marriage place New Clee St John Church St John Spouse's first name(s) Caroline Beatrice Spouse's last name Steer Spouse's age 20 Spouse's residence 73 Buller St County Lincolnshire Country England Father's first name(s) Henry Father's last name Emmerson Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Steer Page 64 Archive Lincolnshire Archives
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4 Dec 2016 09:23 |
Henry not at home 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 174 Rutland St Grimsby, Clee, Lincolnshire, England
Caroline Beatrice Emmerson Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Grimsby Lincs Transcription William Henry Emmerson Son - Male - 2 1909 Grimsby Lincs Transcription George Emmerson Son - Male. - 1. 1910. Grimsby
Married. 3 years 2 children born
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4 Dec 2016 09:33 |
Strange that neither Henry shows on any census
Not seeing a marriage either for his parents as quoted on the baptism record
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4 Dec 2016 10:01 |
(there is below about also!)
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1891 (Find My Past) Harry Emmerson Head Married Male 32 1859 Iron Turner Nottingham Annie Emmerson Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Nottingham Sarah L Emmerson Daughter Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Nottingham Harry Emmerson Son Single Male 4 1887 Scholar Nottingham William Foster Boarder Married Male 44 1847 Army Pensioner Lamcote Street, St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
1901 (Find My Past) First name(s) Harry Last name Emmerson Relationship Inmate Gender Male Age 14 Birth year 1887 Occupation Housework & Errands Birth town as transcribed NOTTINGHAM Street Peel Street Parish Nottingham
Birth EMMERSON, SARAH LOUISA FOSTER GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 311
Birth EMMERSON, HENRY - GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 363
Nottinghamshire marriages, 1528-1929 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Harry Last name Emmerson Marriage year 1880 Marriage date 23 Oct 1880 Marriage place Nottingham Church St Saviour Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Annie Spouse's last name Foster
04 August 1894 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Death EMMERSON - On the 26th ult., Annie, the beloved wife of Harry Emmerson, of 28, Kirke White street. Deeply lamented. Her end was peace.
Deaths Sep 1894 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- Emmerson Annie 34 Nottingham 7b 172
Deaths Jun 1897 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- Emmerson Harry 38 Nottingham 7b 221
(both Burials on below)
https://www.deceasedonline.com/
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4 Dec 2016 10:19 |
Hi We have seen a certificate of Henry's 1886 that confirms Henry Emmerson b Nottingham was his farther, now my granddad when he was alive remembers grand parent/uncle named Pick which leads me to believe Pickering Emmerson b1823 Nottingham was his dad? m to Ann Tomms? just need to prove/disprove this.
Andy
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4 Dec 2016 10:26 |
What other info. is on 1886 Birth Cert.?...
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Baptism County Nottinghamshire Place Nottingham Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 03 Apr 1825 Person forename Pickering Person abode Leen Side Father forename Jonathan Father surname EMMERSON Father occupation Baker Mother forename Sarah
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Marriages Sep 1847 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------- EMMERSON Pickering Nottingham 15 789 TOMMS Ann Nottingham 15 789
Deaths Jun 1880 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------- EMMERSON Pickering 54 Nottingham 7b 203
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4 Dec 2016 11:20 |
No maiden name given on the birth (the Fosser maiden name is possibly Foster)
EMMERSON, HENRY - GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 363
EMMERSON, HARRY FOSSER GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 361 --------------------------------------
Do you have the birth certificate? Is it possible that Henry was the illegitimate child of Matilda Emmerson (the daughter of Pickering Emmerson?) -----------------------------------------
Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955 Name: Henry Emmerson Birth Date: 31 Oct 1885 Birth Place: Nottingham Date: 1908-1955 Service number: C 5153 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8576805#imageViewerLink
I would assume this is the same man- there are several entries some 21st October and some 31st October- born Nottingham:
Looking at the distorted image image, it gives father as William:
Name: Henry Emmerson Birth Date: 21 Oct 1885 Birth Place: Nottingham Date: 1908-1955 Service number: SB 1
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8549962#imageViewerLink
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4 Dec 2016 11:33 |
(did see below earlier AQ, (was wondering the same!)
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County Nottinghamshire Place Arnold Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Marriage date 21 May 1888 Groom forename William Groom surname COOK Bride forename Matilda Bride surname EMMERSON
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4 Dec 2016 11:39 |
(can't stay, but need more from Andrew!)
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Andrew Report 4 Dec 2016 10:19
Hi We have seen a certificate of Henry's 1886 that confirms Henry Emmerson b Nottingham was his farther,
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4 Dec 2016 12:04 |
Yes, Chris- need to know if he has the actual certificate.
Pickering Emmerson's parents do have a grandson Henry with them on the 1861 & 1871 census which I presume is the one he's trying to link?-
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 7, Crocus Street, St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Jonathan Emmerson Head Married Male 62 1799 Labourer Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Sarah Emmerson Wife Married Female 63 1798 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Jonathan Emmerson Son Unmarried Male 28 1833 Carter Nottingham, Nottinghamshire Sarah Emmerson Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 Seamstress Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Matilda Emmerson Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Seamstress Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Henry Emmerson Grandson - Male 2 1859 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, -----------------------------------------
I think this is the Henry that married Ann Foster and had this son Harry (Chris posted the 1891 census & 1901 census earlier):
EMMERSON, HARRY mmn FOSSER GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 361
If you don't have the birth certificate, getting it will give you his exact date of birth and then you'll know if it's the same one that married Caroline Steer. -------------------------------------
Possibly Harry senior's death (he was recorded as deceased on Henry jnr marriage):
Name: Harry Emmerson Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Registration Year: 1897 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 38 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 221
EDIT: Sorry Chris, just seen that you also posted this death.
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4 Dec 2016 13:53 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_topics/thread/1133178
(Andrew Report 8 Mar 2009 22:06
Hi I am trying go back on my mums side Emmerson and could do with some help. from the late 1890's they lived in grimsby and originated from the Nottingham area, mums grandad William Henry and he's dad William. Thanks)
(relating above?)
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Burial County Lincolnshire Place Grimsby Church name Cemetery (Scartho Road) Register type Unspecified Burial date 04 Feb 1921 Person age 76 Burial person forename William Henry Burial person surname EMERSON Register note Died 30/01/1921
Baptism County Lincolnshire Place Grimsby Church name St Stephen (New Clee) Register type Parish Register Register entry number 287 Baptism date 09 Oct 1908 Birth date 07 Sep 1908 Person forename William Henry Person sex M Person abode Grimsby Father forename Henry Father surname EMMERSON Father occupation Fisherman Mother forename Caroline Beatrice
Burial County Lincolnshire Place Grimsby Church name Cemetery (Scartho Road) Register type Unspecified Burial date 03 May 1929 Person age 20 Burial person forename William Henry Burial person surname EMERSON Register note Died 29/04/1929
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4 Dec 2016 14:23 |
Thanks for your work, it does look like my Henry is the son of Matilda, little confused with the Harry bit? any news on the farther? will have to try get the birth record.
Andy
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4 Dec 2016 15:47 |
Andrew- Harry and Henry are often interchangeable.
It's definitely not the son of Harry/ Henry Emmerson and Ann Foster- he died in the US:
Name: Harry Emmerson Gender: Male Race: White Age: 87 Birth Date: 4 Jun 1886 Birth Place: England Death Date: 17 Sep 1973 Death Place: Ft Wayne, Allen, Indiana, USA Marital Status: Widowed Father: Harry Emmerson Mother: Annie Foster --------------------------------------------------------
So this is the birth certificate you need to confirm mother:
EMMERSON, HENRY - GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 363 ------------------------------------------------------
I suspect Henry was the illegitimate son of Matilda (as said before, you'll need the cert to confirm), but brought up as the son of Matilda's brother, William.
William and his wife/ partner Rebecca had been together a long time and only had one daughter Mary/ Polly:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription New Dock Street, Great Grimsby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England
William Emerson Head Married Male 42 1849 Dockside Labourer Nottingham Rebecca Emerson Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Lincolnshire, England Polly Emerson Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Harry Emerson Son Single Male 4 1887 - Nottingham Charles Porter Boarder Single Male 33 1858 Fisherman Borough, Middlesex, England John Carney Boarder Single Male 56 1835 Fisherman Poplar, Middlesex, England James Speedy Lodger Married Male 35 1856 Jet Worker Whitby, Yorkshire, England Mary Speedy Lodger Married Female 36 1855 - Kettering, Northamptonshire, England
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4 Dec 2016 16:17 |
(just to add, that 1889 Birth from other 'Thread' was son of below, checking GRO)
Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Emmerson Alfred Barrett Worksop 7b 69 Shawcroft Eliza Worksop 7b 69
1891 (Find My Past) Alfred B Emmerson Head Married Male 35 1856 Coal Miner Monmouthshire, Wales Eliza Emmerson Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Maggie Emmerson Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Yorkshire, England William H Emmerson Son - Male 2 1889 - Yorkshire, England Helen Emmerson Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Yorkshire, England Wales Road, Wales, Worksop, Nottinghamshire
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Lewella Report 8 Mar 2009 22:08
Any dates or ages? Could this be him?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Henry Emmerson Name: William Henry Emmerson Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Worksop County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 7b Page: 35
Edits (quite few of Surname on below, Scartho)
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/area.php?area=Lincolnshire&country=En&scrwidth=1200
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