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Only just in from work- message from Terence:

Terence it's easier if you post on the board by using the 'Add your reply' box below.

"Hi Berts age is 33 and a widower address is 324 Bordesley Green Road and the witnesses were P W Vannan and Fred W Harris."
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(ah, expect that relates in then somewhere, with below, posted yesterday!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1364034

Chris :)

(book, or perhaps boot maker?)

I have to work this morning- but just received message from Terence re the marriage certificate of Bert & Mary:

"Just receved marriage certificate his fathers name was james attwell and his profession was a book maker and berts profession is an artiste theatrical"

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It might help if you can fill in the other details Terence:

How old was Bert on the certificate?

Who were the witnesses?

What address is given for Bert?

Thanks, AQ - I meant to correct that, but got side-tracked!

Bert Athuel as posted by Argyllgran is actually at 11 Yates Street (ancestry often transcribes the first street listed on the page)

Did see below, but probably not...

Chris :)

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
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ATTUEL Burt Llandovery 11a 700


1939 Register (Find My Past)

Caravan Market , Carmarthen R.D., Carmarthenshire, Wales
Bert Attewell 24 Dec 1879 Male Travelling Shows And Peddling
Rebecca Attewell 30 Sep 1860 Female Travelling Show Ground Widowed
Priscilla Attewell 17 Jul 1891 Female Domestic Duties Single


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368820.40;wap2

(above relates to them. Travelling People)


(a brother below, Baptism for him, FMP Carmarthen 1880. Father Henry (occ. Hawker) Mother Rebecca)

The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser

25th December 1914
OBSCENE LANGUAGE. Emanuel Attewell. Fair Ground. Carmarthen, was charged with using obscene language. PC. Llewellyn said that about 4 p.m. on the 16th inst. he saw the defendant in Fair-lane. He had stripped to the waist and was challenging a man to fight using obscene language. A fine of Is. and costs was imposed.

http://newspapers.library.wales/


Deaths Sep 1952 (>99%)
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ATTWELL Albert 72 Llanelly 8a 289

(possible for above)

I wonder if this is relevant ??

Perhaps a misprint in the ER?
Can't find any other Athuels anywhere on Ancestry or FreeBMD.

Bert Athuel
in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Name: Bert Athuel
Year: 1955
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street address: 11 WHITEHOUSE STREET
Residence Place: Birmingham

Think you'll need the details from the certificate.

Chelmsford Chronicle - Friday 06 August 1897

...'The Wolf' and Pinsuti's 'Bedouin Love Song', his splendid bass voice showing to great advantage and seciring for the last mentioned song an encore which was not to be denied. Mr Bert Attwell was similarly rewarded for his song 'Look in mine Eyes' from La Cigale. Madame Florence Reynolds, a sister of the promoter of the concert, gave two songs in good style, joined Mr Attwell in two duets and Miss Ella Armstrong, Messrs Attwell and Gladney Wolf in two quartets......

Do you have the marriage certificate? Who does he list as his father? What age was he?

Perhaps Bert was more of a stage name. Could be Albert, Bertram, Bertie, Herbert, Hubert, Robert etc.

got 1939 register info just cannot find any info on bert attwell birth or death he just left home in the 30s his job was a veriaty artist storys handed down said he was In the silent film titanic as one of the band members that went down with the ship..we thing he came from south Africa other than that we know nothing else

I'm guessing the child was Louisa (Louie) Attwell. She married Reginald in 1933 .

This is the same address on the 1939 register:

Lyons Household (5 People) 324 Bordesley Green Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

Reginald H Lyons 22 Jul 1907 Male Steel Cutter Married
Louisa M Wall (Lyons) 29 Jul 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Mary Attwell 23 Jun 1871 Female Office Cleaner Married
Edward Gerrard 02 Feb 1877 Male Railway Porter Single
Margaret R Draper (Lyons) 05 Apr 1936 Female Under School Age Single

1927

324 Bordesley Green Road

Bert Attwell
Mary Attwell
John Kingston
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Mary & Bert at same address in 1920

1922- 1925 there is a Charles Bowen with them at the same address

1930- 1939 Mary is still living at same address, but no Bert

What was the child's name born in 1914 as not seeing any birth

First name(s) BERT
Last name ATTWELL
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1916
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ BERT ATTWELL married
MARY CARTER
Spouse's last name CARTER
District ASTON
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 972
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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But only the marriage comes up . Could he have been Albert ??

Have you looked for them on the 1939 register ??

What exactly are you looking for ?? His father's name should be on the marriage cert if known

I am looking for bert attwell who married mary carter in aston Birmingham in 1916 they had one child born in 1914