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19 Dec 2016 11:48 |
Hi Kind people,
I'm wondering if one of you kind folk could do a look-up or two (well, several really) for me as I'm trying to trace the family of Captain William Heny Cleather (of the 1st Ceylon Regiment) who were in Ceylon in the early 19th Century.
He was born in Plymouth, Devon c1782, was indentured to his father's law firm in 1797, matriculated at Oxford in 1802 and went out to Ceylon in 1806. He married Amelia Loodan (1777-1842) on 17 December 1807 at Galle and subsequently had by her several children:
Anna (1812-1887) (m Rev, Carr John Glyn 25/04/1839, Somerset) Thomas George (1813-22/04/1820) Mary (mention in Mother's Will 1842) Sophia Louisa (1816-05/09/1881) (m Rev George John Collinson 1843 Witchampton, Dorset) Elizabeth (m William Littlehales 29/04/1836, Walcot, Somerset) Amelia (mention in Mother's Will 1842) A N other
Capt Cleather died in Colombo 26/07/1820, a few months after his son Thomas. There is a report that his widow "Mrs. A. Cleather, died at the same place on March 18, aged forty-three." But this is incorrect as she died in Bath, Somerset in 1842, shortly after she wrote her Will.
A lengthy obituary in the Asiatic Journal includes the lines: "He has left a disconsolate wife and six young children to lament, through life, his great and irreparable loss.
I have the names of 5 surviving children - who was the 6th (Thomas George, of course, was already dead)?? Or was it simply that the author of the obituary did not know of the child's death so shortly before the father?
There is reason (from reading the widow Amelia's 1842 Will) to believe that Anna was a daughter of a previous marriage: "...finding by my husband’s will that I have no control over his property which he left to be divided equally amongst his Children as a proof of my affection for my precious Child Anna who will have £600 of her father’s property... ...The Rest of my Property I wish to be divided equally between my precious Children Sophia Elizabeth Mary and Amelia..." ...or am I just reading between the lines here? ...but why was Anna singled out for special treatment in Amelia's Will?
So, it would be good to know... Dates of Birth/Baptism for all the children Name of the 'missing child' if there really was one Was there a previous marriage, if so to who, and when...
Any help would be much appreciated,
Thanks
Simon
PS Seasonal Greetings to one and all!
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19 Dec 2016 12:07 |
Entry from Marriage Announcements 1731-1850
Husband surname Glyn Husband first names C.J. Husbands rank/occupation Reverend Husbands unit Witchampton Wife surname Cleather Wife first names Anne Wifes fathers rank/occupation Captain Wifes fathers unit 1st Ceylon Regiment Marriage date 25 Apr 1839 Place of marriage Bathwick Edition Date Jun 1839 Page number 651 Detail At Bathwick, the Rev. C.J. Glyn, Rector of Witchampton, Dorset, youngest son of the late R.C. Glyn, Bart. to Anne, third dau. of the late Capt. Wm. H. Cleather, 1st Ceylon reg.
(looks to be more Cleather on below, also has 1820 Monument Inscription,biographical notes)
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/
(Families in British India Society)
Chris :)
02 June 1842 - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Bath, Somerset
June 1, at No. 8, Sydney-place, Amelia Cleather, aged 62, widow of the late Captain William Cleather, of the Ceylon regiment.
Burial County Somerset Place Bathwick Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Parish Register Register entry number 833 Burial date 08 Jun 1842 Person age 62 Burial person forename Amelia Burial person surname CLEATHER Burial person abode Sydney Place
County Somerset Place Bathwick Church name St Mary the Virgin Register type Transcript Marriage date 25 Apr 1839 Groom forename Carr John Groom surname GLYN Groom condition wid Groom abode 8 Old Sydney Place Groom occupation Clergyman Bride forename Anna Bride surname CLEATHER Bride abode 8 Old Sydney Place Groom father forename Richard Carr Groom father surname GLYN Groom father occupation Baronet Bride father forename William Henry Bride father surname CLEATHER Bride father occupation Capt H.M. Army Witness B. R. LITTLEHALES Witness G. Lewen GLYN Register note Licence. Witness 3 Php HARFORD
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
07 May 1836 - Oxford Journal - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
ECCLESIASTCAL PREFERMENTS.
CLERGYMEN MARRIED. April 29, at Bath, the Rev. William Littlehales to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the late Captain W. H. Cleather, of his Majesty's 1st Ceylon Regiment.
County Somerset Place Bath Church name Walcot - St Swithin Register type Transcript Marriage date 29 Apr 1836 Groom forename William Groom surname LITTLEHAYES Groom condition Bachelor Groom parish Compton Bishop Som. Groom occupation Clerk Bride forename Elizabeth Bride surname CLEATHER Bride condition Spinster
Edits (below from google search, he is mentioned, 'he has issue six children')
http://tinyurl.com/zz78xkw
(also)
http://tinyurl.com/j47ny6b
Where did you find details of 1807 Marriage?...
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19 Dec 2016 13:07 |
There is this record on FMP which appear to be a list of children- unfortunately I can't read the dates, but presume they are in age order:
British Army Service Records Transcription
Elizabeth Cleather bapt 1808? Mary Cleather bapt 1811? Anna Cleather bapt 1811? Sophia Cleather born 24/2/1816 Amelia Cleather born 23/ 2?/ 1817
Year 1815-27 Regiment 1stCeylon Rifles Regiment / service number as transcribed 1st Ceylon Rl Series WO 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: admission books, registers, and papers 1702-1876 Archive The National Archives Archive reference WO 23 Piece number 123 Piece description Register of awards. Year range 1815-1827 Record set British Army Service Records ----------------------------------------
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Sydney Place, Bathwick, Bath, Somerset, England
Amelia Cleather Female 60 1781 - Mary Cleather Female 30 1811 - Sophia Cleather Female 20 1821 - Amelia Cleather Female 20 1821 - Anna Glyn Female 30 1811 - Carr Stuart Glyn Female 7 1834 - Hannah Randall Female 35 1806 - Ann Pratten Female 15 1826 Somerset, England Sarah Rose Female 15 1826
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19 Dec 2016 13:10 |
(was looking at below, Cleather on FMP India Marriages, but not Loodan!, although says Lieutenant 2nd Ceylon Regiment, no, not him then!)
Chris :)
Entry from Transcription of Marriage Announcements 1809 - 1844 Marriage Date 10 - Jun Marriage Year 1807 Husband First Names W. H. Husband Surname Gleather Wife First Names Emilia Wife Surname Lovelace IOR Reference None Source Year 1809 Source Edition 1 Source Presidency Fort St. George Source Event Marriage Entry W. H. Gleather, Esq., to Miss Emilia Lovelace. Transcribed by FIBIS Volunteers
http://www.fibis.org/
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Maddie
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19 Dec 2016 13:19 |
daughters marriage
Amelia Cleather mentioned in the record of Harry Carrors and Amelia Cleather Name Harry Carrors Spouse's Name Amelia Cleather Event Date 26 Nov 1850 Event Place Swanbourne,Buckingham,England Father's Name Richard Carrors Spouse's Father's Name William Henry Cleather Citing this Record
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV3W-Z9Y : 10 December 2014), Harry Carrors and Amelia Cleather, 26 Nov 1850; citing Swanbourne,Buckingham,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,042,441.
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19 Dec 2016 14:03 |
Chris- not seeing Loodan surname either:
From Ancestry:
India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 Name: William Cleather Gender: Male Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1807 Marriage Place: Arcot, Madras, India Spouse: Amelia Lovelace FHL Film Number: 506955 ------------------------------------------------------
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 Name: William Henry Cleather Event: Marriage Gender: Male Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1807 Spouse: Amelia Lovelace ---------------------------------------
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Extract of the marriage registers of Columbo 1807 William Henry Cleather Lieutenant in HM 2nd Ceylon Regiment and Amelia Lovelace Spinster were married by permission of His Excellency the Governor the 17th Day December 1807
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19 Dec 2016 14:19 |
Age fits with death: Births & Baptisms
First name(s) Amelia Last name Lovelace Gender Female Birth year 1780 Baptism year 1780 Baptism date 14 Feb 1780 Place St Marylebone County London Father's first name(s) Richd. Father's last name Lovelace Mother's first name(s) Amelia -------------------------------
National Burial Index First name(s) AMELIA Last name CLEATHER Birth year 1780 Death year 1842 Age 62 Burial year 1842 Burial day 8 Burial month 6 Place BATHWICK Church description ST MARY Church denomination ANGLICAN County Somerset
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19 Dec 2016 16:11 |
(ah!, so could be that Marriage then, looks good AQ)
Chris :)
(things coming up on google, Richard Harris Lovelace, Amelia Tyssen, another daughter also, Elizabeth)
Surrey Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Richard Harris Last name Lovelace Marriage year 1778 Marriage date 27 May 1778 Marriage place Battersea Spouse's first name(s) Amelia Spouse's last name Tyssen Spouse's residence MDX St George Hanover Square
(below look to relate, copied, but need a look!)
17 June 1775 - Kentish Gazette - Canterbury, Kent, England
Regiment of Dragoons, Richard Harris Lovelace, Gent, to be Cornet, vice Thomas ColletMawhoodi by pnrehale
15 December 1777 - Caledonian Mercury - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Richard Harry Lovelace. rjffo Regiment light dragoons
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19 Dec 2016 16:49 |
Wow! So much! So quickly! Thanks all.
My marriage info was this: "Captain Cleather was in the 2nd Ceylon Regiment, and from May 1, 1807, was Fort Adjutant at Galle, where, on December 17 the same year, he married Amelia Loodan." https://archive.org/stream/cu31924007648516/cu31924007648516_djvu.txt (which also says inter alia: "He was, no doubt, a son of "Thomas Cleather, Esq.," whose death at Plymouth on February 25, 1819, aged sixty-four, is announced by an obituary notice in the Gazette, in which he is described as " a truly virtuous^, upright, and honourable man, universally beloved and respected. As a mark of the veneration and esteem in which he was held, both in his native town and neighbourhood, his remains were followed to the grave by no less than fifty gentlemen." It is also announced that his widow, Mrs. A. Cleather, died at the same place on March 18, aged forty-three. The Misses E. and M. Cleather had left for England by the Vittoria on January 1 of that year... ...Captain W H Cleather (No. 319) was educated at Exeter College, Oxford, and arrived in Ceylon in 1805.' His third daughter, Anna, was the second wife of the Rev. Carr John Glyn, whom she married on April 25, 1839. She died in 1887. Captain Cleather died at the house of Major Delatre at Colombo."
(Incidentally ^ Thomas Cleaver was later found to be not quite such a 'virtuous man' - ...At the time of Mr Cleather's death, the balance in his hands amounted to £1,871 6s 4d and his effects have only been sutficient hitherto to pay 10s in the pound upon his debts, with some expectation of a small further dividend. The trust has therefore suffered a very considerable loss. We have before stated, that Mr Cleather appears to have home the character of a responsible person to the time of his death; but we cannot think that it was a measure of prudence on the part of the trustees to leave so large a balance in his hands, without any security being given by him... https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0AY-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=%22Thomas+Cleather%22+attorney+plymouth&source=bl&ots=EyV1T3E27n&sig=_9vTODl8hmfq4U1sJxMTYJWUWDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbs-q2mfTQAhWMIsAKHYydBrIQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=%22Thomas%20Cleather%22%20attorney%20plymouth&f=true
The daughter Amelia's marriage at Swanbourne makes sense as this was her brother-in-law George Collinson's parish.
Amelia / Emilia - the latter is a mistranscription, I'm sure. The Will clearly says Amelia http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_309602-00645?pid=336178&backurl=//search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DmCm965%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-g%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26gsfn%3Dbridget%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3Dcleather%26gsln_x%3D0%26msbdy%3D1770%26msbpn__ftp%3DPlymouth,%2520Devon,%2520England%26msbpn%3D83196%26msbpn_PInfo%3D8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C5261%257C83196%257C0%257C0%257C%26msypn__ftp%3Dplymouth%26cpxt%3D1%26cp%3D11%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dib3%26pcat%3DROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3D336178%26dbid%3D5111%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D58&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=mCm965&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
As to 1st or 2nd Ceylon Regiment - it seems he was in the 2nd first and the 1st second!!
And I'm happy to go with Lovelace - Loodan looked a bit peculiar.
But this marriage in Madras is curious! Or did Ceylon come under the Presidency of Madras?
Chris, the http://tinyurl.com/j47ny6b reference is the obituary that I originally referred to. Seeing your version of it, it's clear that the writer did know of the death of Thomas George - but refers to him as the 'eldest son' - implying there was another one... and I only have 5 girls names...
Austin, those baptism dates look useful. The 1841 census dates of birth are more suspect!
Thanks for all your help.
Simon
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19 Dec 2016 17:32 |
Austin, that's certainly the marriage. Why didn't it come up for me when I searched Ancestry? Hmm!
...and now I know Lovelace and Tyssen that's another 'wander in the woods' to take - 3 more names and I'll hit the 45,000 in my tree! Is this hobby addictive or what?!
Incidentally, my transcription of Amelia's Will is this:
I Amelia Cleather widow of the City of Bath being of sound mind do make this my last Will and Testament finding by my husband’s will that I have no control over his property which he left to be divided equally amongst his Children as a proof of my affection for my precious Child Anna who will have £600 of her father’s property I wish as much Stock to be sold out of my property within a twelve month after my death as will amount to £400 which with the aforesaid £600 will make up £1000 to be at her disposal The Rest of my Property I wish to be divided equally between my precious Children Sophia Elizabeth Mary and Amelia and I wish to name my affectionate Brothers Sir George Adams and Admiral Littlehales Mr xxx and Miss Adams to be joint Executors I leave my plate and Silver to my unmarried Children and out of my Books I wish Ben Littlehales to have Homers Iliad (Signed) Amelia Cleather May 20 1842 Signed & declared by the above named Amelia Cleather as for her last Will & Testament in the presence of us present at the same time who in her presence and in the presence of each other have hereunto set our names as Witnesses thereto – George Norman Surgeon 1 Circus Bath – Mary Littlehales (Niece to Amelia Cleather) 6 Camden Place Bath.
Dated 20 May 1842 Proved 17 June 1842
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19 Dec 2016 18:00 |
I presume the mentioned 'brothers' are brother-in-laws. Littlehales being the husband of William Henry's sister, Mary Anna. (I note she married Robert Bendall Littlehales as mentioned in 'An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall' - google books).
Just wondering where the Bendall name comes in- I've seen this somewhere? EDIT: See post below
If there was another son, he would have been born after Thomas (b1813), and as he isn't mentioned in the Amelia's will he presumably died before 1842?
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19 Dec 2016 18:04 |
OK- got it- I was a bit slow as I knew I'd seen the Bendall name whilst searching. This is the other son also mentioned on the record with the other children on British Army Service Records Transcription (FMP):
William Bendall/ Bendoll Cleather (original looks like 'died 1825 ???? 1826)
Anyway- it's enough to confirm that this is the child (likely born shortly before his father's death):
Devon Burials Transcription First name(s) William Bendall Last name Cleather Age 5 Birth year 1820 Death year 1825 Burial year 1825 Burial date 13 Apr 1825 Denomination Anglican Burial place West Teignmouth County Devon Country England
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19 Dec 2016 18:54 |
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Naval_Biographical_Dictionary/Littlehales,_Bendall_Robert
(Admiral Littlehales)
County Somerset Place Batheaston Church name St John the Baptist Register type Transcript Marriage date 29 Aug 1803 Groom forename Bendall Robert Groom surname LITTLEHALES Bride forename Mary Ann Bride surname CLEATHER Witness Thos WILATTS Witness Thos CLEATHER Register note Capt. In Navy
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
Chris :)
(think probably a lot of references for names about on google, Newspapers, and also below)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
(click arrow, top right, to Search our records)
Edits (with reference to 6, Camden Place, on Will above)
County Somerset Place Bath Church name Weston - All Saints Register type Transcript Marriage date 10 Aug 1838 Groom forename Bendall Groom surname LITTLEHALES Groom condition Bachelor Groom abode 6 Camden Place Bath Groom occupation Esquire Bride forename Nancy Kegan Bride surname TUGWELL Bride condition Widow Bride abode Westfield Villa Weston Groom father forename Bendall Robert Groom father surname LITTLEHALES Groom father occupation Rear Admiral Bride father forename John Bride father surname HORNE Bride father occupation Esquire Witness B.R. LITTLEHALES Witness W KEATING
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/?_q=bendall+littlehales
(items on above)
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20 Dec 2016 14:25 |
Yea! Austin, well done! That's fantastic to have found William Bendall.
...and Chris, there's the link across to Bendall Littlehales...
Of course, William Henry's sister Mary Anne was married to Bendall Robert Littlehales (later Vice Admiral).
Simon
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