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24 Dec 2016 22:06 |
I am trying to follow my tree, specifically the ‘Stevens’ line.
Intriguingly, my father (who I never met and know very little about used both the surnames ‘Stevens’ and ‘Wilson’. Indeed both are shown on his marriage certificate and both are in the Church records. From those records it appears that he was married twice on the same day to my mother. Kathleen Mary Stevens (née Smith) born in 1912 in Canada.
My father’s birth certificate has no father shown and his mother is given as ‘Nellie Edith Stevens’.
I can find no record of her. I’ve tried the censuses and various genealogy sites, with no success.
Where do I go from here please?
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24 Dec 2016 22:51 |
Welcome to the boards Michael.
Is this the marriage you refer to?
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%) Smith Kathleen M Stevens Leicester 7a 305 Smith Kathleen M Wilson Leicester 7a 305 Stevens Cecil W Smith Leicester 7a 305 Wilson Cecil W Smith Leicester 7a 305
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24 Dec 2016 22:53 |
the birth - mmn shown as Stevens
Births Mar 1917 (>99%) Stevens Cecil W Stevens Leicester 7a 430
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24 Dec 2016 23:01 |
Looks like Nellie married in 1920 to an Arthur W Wilson
Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%)
Stevens Nellie E Wilson Leicester 7a 454 Wilson Arthur W Stevens Leicester 7a 454
So Cecil although born Stevens was probably accepted by Arthur and used, and was known by, the Wilson surname. He may even have adopted him officially (official adoptions only started in 1927). Born Stevens, known as Wilson, married under both to cover all angles.
A copy of that marriage certificate should give you Nellie's Father's name and occupation, to help track her down.
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24 Dec 2016 23:06 |
Is this Nellie on the 1939 register and Kathleen Mary as Stevens being a little generous with her birth year - you say it's 1912- and subsequently showing as marrying a Geary
Wilson Household (4 People) 420 Gipsy Lane , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Nellie (Edith) Wilson 31 Dec 1893 Female House Worker Widowed 18 1 Dorothy E Holmes (Wilson) 30 Aug 1923 Female Office Clerk Single 18 2 Kathleen M Wilkinson (Wilson) 22 May 1926 Female At School Single 18 3 Kathleen M (Mary) Geary (Stevens) 21 Jun 1916 Female Button Winder Married 18 4
Also one closed record
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24 Dec 2016 23:07 |
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1923 (>99%) WILSON Dorothy E Stevens Leicester 7a 426 Births Sep 1926 (>99%) Wilson Kathleen M Stevens Leicester 7a 353
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24 Dec 2016 23:08 |
?Arthur's death
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1933 (>99%) Wilson Arthur W 48 Leicester 7a 244
and Nellie's
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) NELLIE EDITH Last name WILSON Gender Female Birth day 31 Birth month 12 Birth year 1893 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1984 District LEICESTER CENTRAL Register number 484 County Leicestershire Volume 6 Page 1812
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24 Dec 2016 23:15 |
If the birth year is correct on the 1939 register then there were 4 Nellie Edith (any surname) registrations in Quarter 1 1894 - none are Stevens (can't see them getting her registered in December 1893 if she was born on the 31st ).
You do need her marriage certificate to Arthur Wilson
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24 Dec 2016 23:24 |
Kathleen's marriage to (Elijah) Geary
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1958 (>99%) STEVENS Kathleen M GEARY Leicester 3a 1863 GEARY Elijah STEVENS Leicester 3a 1863
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24 Dec 2016 23:43 |
As Cecil is not at home in 1939, I wonder if this is him - the birth date would fit a Q1 1917 registration
Malin Household (4 People) 23 Edenbridge Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Cecil W Stevens 19 Jan 1917 Male Duplicating Machine Service Mechanic Travelling Married 70 4 William H Malin 16 Jun 1891 Male Despatch Clerk Aero Radiators Ceslers Married 70 1 Kate O Malin 26 Nov 1888 Female Waitress Married 70 2 Doreen O Hill (Marlin) 10 Mar 1919 Female A R P Telephone Operator Single 70 3
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25 Dec 2016 14:09 |
Much of what I've posted is obviously known to you, please try to post all known information to save helpers looking up and duplicating known information.
Your (?) tree on Ancestry has Kathleen's parents as John William Smith 1887 and Winifred Duncombe 1887. It shows Kathleen born 1912 and her marriages to Cecil Stevens and Elijah Geary.
UK incoming passenger lists arriving 1 June 1924 have John W aged 37 a Shoe cutter, his wife winifred 37 and children Kathleen M aged 7 and John D aged 1. They are going to Earl Shilton, Hinkley, Leics.
Winifred Smith in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Winifred Smith Birth Date: abt 1887 Age: 37 Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada Arrival Date: 1 May 1924 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Quebec Ship Name: Regina Search Ship Database: Search for the Regina in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line Official Number: 140596
So Kathleen not born 1912 but 1916 as per 1939 register.
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25 Dec 2016 14:16 |
Winifred appears to have travelled out as a single woman in 1912
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
First name(s) WINNIFRED Last name DUNCOMBE Gender Female Age 24 Birth year 1888 Occupation MACHINIST Departure year 1912 Departure day 27 Departure month 4 Departure port LIVERPOOL Destination port QUEBEC Destination QUEBEC Country CANADA Destination country CANADA Ship name MEGANTIC Ship official number 127981 Ship master's first name HUGH F Ship master's last name DAVID Shipping line WHITE STAR DOMINION City LIVERPOOL Ship destination port MONTREAL Ship destination country CANADA Ship square feet 21629 Ship registered tonnage 9183 Number of passengers 1627
Passenger list shows John W Smith on line above Winifred - 24 year old Bootmaker
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Michael
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25 Dec 2016 14:24 |
Sorry to have asked for information that I already know. I'm fairly new to this and didn't think of that. I have information all over the place and don't really know how to collate it all together.
You told me much that I didn't know and I have now some idea about how to go forward.
Apologies agian and many thanks greyhost.
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25 Dec 2016 14:33 |
Kathleen M Smith in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Kathleen M Smith Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 4 Birth Year: abt 1917 Birth Place: Ontario Relation to Head of House: Daughter Father's name: John William Smith Father Birth Place: England Mother's name: Winnifred Smith Mother Birth Place: England Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Ontario District: Oxford South District Number: 112 Sub-district: Norwich South (Township) Sub-District Number: 14 City, Town or Village: Otterville Street or Township: Dover St Municipality: Otterville Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John William Smith 33 Winnifred Smith 30 Kathleen M Smith 4 Charles Turney 43 Sarah Jane Turney 38
Kathleen born Ontario Parents both born England Family recorded as Baptist
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25 Dec 2016 14:38 |
John and Winifred's marriage. The image is on Family Search (as details below). Both of Toronto. Married by License Winnifred Duncombe mentioned in the record of John William Smith and Winnifred Duncombe Name John William Smith Event Type Marriage Event Date 26 Feb 1913 Event Place Toronto, , Ontario, Canada Gender Male Spouse's Name Winnifred Duncombe Spouse's Gender Female Citing this Record "Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27ZY-T94 : 10 April 2015), John William Smith and Winnifred Duncombe, 26 Feb 1913; citing registration , Toronto, , Ontario, Canada, Archives of Ontario, Toronto; FHL microfilm 1,976,332.
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25 Dec 2016 14:44 |
Kathleen's parents on the 1939 register with their son
Smith Household (4 People) 91 Aylestone Drive , Leicester C.B., Leicestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Winifred Smith 19 Dec 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 363 2 John William Smith 20 Dec 1887 Male Labourer Engineering Married 363 1 John Douglas Smith 12 Sep 1922 Male Electrical Instrument Fitter Single 363 3 Sidney Cato 08 Jan 1921 Male Shoe Seat Master Single 363 4
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25 Dec 2016 15:06 |
Possibly John William Smith looking at address and occupation
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hill Top, Earl Shilton, Hinckley, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Smith Head Married Male 28 1863 Shoe Finisher Warwickshire, England Mary Emima Smith Wife Married Female 30 1861 Shoe Machinist Leicestershire, England Arthur James Smith Son - Male 6 1885 - Leicestershire, England Ethel Smith Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Leicestershire, England John William Smith Son - Male 3 1888 - Leicestershire, England
------------ 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Poplar Cottage Church St Earl Shilton Near Hinckley, Earl Shilton, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place John Smith Head Married Male Shoe Finisher 48 1863 Leices Earl Shilton Mary Jemina Smith Wife Married Female - 50 1861 Warwick Chilvers Coton Arthur James Smith Son Single Male Shoe Clicker 26 1885 Leices Earl Shilton Ethel Smith Daughter Single Female Shoe Machinist 25 1886 Leices Earl Shilton John W Smith Son Single Male Shoe Clicker 23 1888 Leices Earl Shilton Elsie Smith Daughter Single Female Hosiery Knitter 17 1894 Leices Earl Shilton Hilda Smith Daughter Single Female - 8 1903 Leices Earl Shilton
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25 Dec 2016 15:07 |
And Winifred
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dawsons Lane, Barwell, Hinckley, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Harry Duncombe Head Married Male 22 1869 Boot And Shoe Rivetter Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, Mary Duncombe Wife Married Female 23 1868 - Barwell, Leicestershire, England Winifred Duncombe Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Barwell, Leicestershire, England Elsie Duncombe Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Barwell, Leicestershire, England
--------------------------------- 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Recreation View Earl Shilton, Earl Shilton, Leicestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Charles Jordan Head Married Male Boot And Shoe Finisher 39 1872 Leicestershire Shepshed Sarah Ann Jordan Wife Married Female - 39 1872 Leicestershire Shepshed Katherine May Jordan Daughter Single Female Woollen Cap Maker 15 1896 Leicestershire Shepshed Charles Amos Jordan Son - Male School 14 1897 Leicestershire Shepshed Winifred Duncombe Boarder Single Female Boot And Shoe Machinist 23 1888 Leicestershire Barwell
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6 Jan 2017 20:58 |
PM received from Michael - with copies of the relevant certificates attached. I've posted all the relevant details here in the hopes more help to track down Nellie will be forthcoming as I'm stuck for time at the moment.
Birth - Cecil Walter Stevens 1917
19 January 1917 @ 46 Luther Street, Leicester, Cecil Walter Stevens. Mother Nellie Edith Stevens a Domestic Servant of 46 Luther Street, Leicester
------------------------------------------------- Marriage - Nellie Edith Stevens and Arthur William Wilson 1920
10 January 1920 @ The Register Office, Leicester Arthur William Wilson - Widower, aged 35, a Sand Paper Cutter of 56 Beatrice Road, Leicester, Father Arthur William Wilson deceased, a Slater to Nellie Edith Stevens Spinster, aged 27 years, a Cook (Domestic) of 63 Beaumanor Road, Leicester, Father Alfred Stevens a Carpenter.
Witnesses Joseph Everton and Fanny Elizabeth Rowe
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6 Jan 2017 22:13 |
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Park Crescent Road, Brighton, Sussex, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alfred Stevens Head Married Male 72 1819 Carpenter Hampshire, England Transcription Julie Stevens Wife Married Female 45 1846 Needle Woman Bath, Somerset, England
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