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Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 18:13

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the info. Seems to be a mix up on Laura's name on marriage Licence she was Laura on all census with William.
Its the Attenborough's side from William and Rebecca that I'm most interested in.

Again Thank you for all your help you have been great. :-D :-D :-D

All the best

Wendy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2017 16:41

(another look at things, found below also!)

Chris :)

Derbyshire Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William
Last name Attenborough
Age Full Age
Marital status Bachelor
Occupation Farmer
Marriage year 1864
Marriage day 25
Marriage month Jun
Place Normanton By Derby St Giles
Spouse's name (last, first)
Lascelles Sarah
Father's name William Attenborough
Father's occupation Farmer
Witnessess Edward Esteker/J M Beresford/Charlie Potter/Eliza Attenborough
Signed Signed
By banns or licence Licence
Residence Overstone Northamptonshire
County Derbyshire


First name(s) Sarah
Last name Lascelles
Age Full Age
Marital status Spinster
Occupation -
Marriage year 1864
Marriage day 25
Marriage month Jun
Place Normanton By Derby St Giles
Spouse's name (last, first) Attenborough William
Father's name William Lascelles
Father's occupation Professor Of Music
Witnessess Edward Esteker/J M Beresford/Charlie Potter/Eliza Attenborough
Signed Signed
By banns or licence Licence
Residence St Peter's Derby
County Derbyshire


(perhaps the Laura below)

1841 (Find My Past)
Sarah Lassells Female 40 1801 Derbyshire, England
Caroline Lassells Female 14 1827 Derbyshire, England
Laura Lassells Female 9 1832 Derbyshire, England
William Lassells Male 7 1834 Derbyshire, England
Street Bold Lane
Parish or township All Saints
City or borough Derby
County Derbyshire
Registration district Derby
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 199


Derbyshire Baptism Index 1538-1910 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Laura
Last name Lasscells
Sex Female
Baptism year 1832
Baptism date 05 Jan 1832
Baptism place St Alkmund's Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Lasscells
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Lasscells
Place Derby, St Alkmund's
County Derbyshire


Edits (wonders if that Edward Esteker (witness) is Edward Etches?, he was below, with Sarah Lascelles 1871 Derby. Widower)


Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Etches Edward Nottingham 7b 212
Lassells Caroline Nottingham 7b 212


Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
ETCHES Caroline 41 Derby 7b 252

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 12:38

Hi Chris,

Thank you sooooo much again you come to the rescue, you are a star.
So the index on Freebmd and GRO is wrong

Again Thank you :-D :-D

all the best

Wendy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2017 12:32

(saw below)

(also Rebecca Burial on Irchester link, gives 30th December)

Chris :)

Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Laura
Last name Lascellis
Marriage year 1864
Parish Normanton St.Giles
Place Derby
Spouse's first name William
Spouse's last name Attenborough
Reference C47/01/019
Register Office 394


30 June 1864 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

Marriage.
ATTENBOROUGH—LASCELLES.—June 25, at Normanton, by the Rev. W. Hope, M. A., vicar of St. Peter's, Derby. Wm. Attenborough, Esq., of Overstone Lodge, Northamptonshire, to Laura, youngest daughter of the late Mr. W. Lascelles, of Derby.

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 12:21

hi Margaret,

Mmm I would if on the actual marriage record it's Laura but transcribed onto the register!

Wendy

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 10 Jan 2017 12:14

There's this marriage but only 1 female. Could it be that Laura's name has been mistranscribed as Isaac?

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
Adams Thomas Edwin Shardlow 7b 555 Scan available - click to view
Attenborough William Shardlow 7b 555 Scan available - click to view
Eastwood Henrietta Shardlow 7b 555 Scan available - click to view
Lascelles Isaac Shardlow 7b 555 Scan available - click to view

Edit: Looked at original, definitely says Isaac.

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:59

Hi,

Found Rebecca's burial on Freereg but it gives 2 dates 7 Dec 1853 and 30 Dec 1853

Wendy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2017 11:57

(better get back to washing the floor, lol)

Chris :)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2017 11:54

Well done Chris!!!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2017 11:54

(Burial as above Wendy, on that link, came up on google search)

Chris :)

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:52

Hi Chris,

Thank you so that explains it then but looks like they were there in 1861.

Could you give me details of Rebecca's burial please if that's possable please and thank you for the newspaper report too. :-D

All the best

Wendy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2017 11:42

http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Villages/Census-Irchester-1861/1861-Irchester-main.html

(The 1861 Census of Irchester is ‘missing’ and is therefore, unfortunately, omitted from these transcriptions.)

(looks like Irchester missing from 1861 (I see Rebecca Burial there)


(and reference to 1863 Marriage below)

26 June 1863 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

Attenborough - Mather. On the 16th inst., at St. Luke's, Holloway, London, by the Rev. J. Smith, Edwin Attenborough of Wing, Bucks, youngest son of Mr. Attenborough, of Irchester Lodge, Northamptonshire, to Emma, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Mather, of Irchester.

Chris :)

http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Villages/registers/irc-B1813Xa.html

(Rebecca Burial above, also on Freereg)


Edits

10 September 1881 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire,

Death
Attenborough. - At Burton Bandals, near Loughborough, on the 3rd inst., Emma, wife of Edwin Attenborough.

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:42

Hi Kucinta,

Yes it's the right Edwin and according to later census Emma was born in Northamptonshire so maybe they did move to London for a while. I'm also looking for the marriage of Edwin's brother William born 1828 Bradmore to a Laura Lascelles sometime between 1861 and 1866 when there first child William was born in Northampton.

Wendy

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2017 11:35

If it is the same Edwin, and age seems right, then I wondered why the marriage took place in London, and if the family might have been there for part of the time between Rebecca's death and the 1871 census?

Looks right, in this census 1871 Edwin is with an Emma, and his birthplace is given as Bradmore, Northants. Emma is born irchester, so why marry in London?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland census
Park Farm, West, Wing, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, England

Edwin Attenborough Head - Male 35 1836 - Northamptonshire, England
Emma Attenborough Wife - Female 31 1840 - Northamptonshire, England
Mary Ann Hedges Servant - Female 20 1851 - Buckinghamshire, England
Alfred Alcock Servant - Male 16 1855 - Buckinghamshire, England

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:29

Hi Kucinta,

Thank you for the marriage details that helps my tree.

Wendy

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:29

Hi Kucinta,

Thank you for the marriage details that helps my tree.

Wendy

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:29

Hi Kucinta,

Thank you for the marriage details that helps my tree.

Wendy

Nottsgirl

Nottsgirl Report 10 Jan 2017 11:26

Hi Margaret and Dea and all

I have found 2 other children William born 1828 Bradmore and Eliza born 1830 in 1861 Overstone Northampton RG9 piece 1584 Folio 27 pg 6 but seems on sign of the others.

Thank you for looking anyway.

Wendy

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2017 11:25

Doesn't help with the 1861, but looks Edwin may have married in London in 1863, and one of the witnesses at his wedding was a William Attenborough, plus an Agnes and Thomas Harris, and Hugh Mathur


Name: Edwin Attenborough - farmer
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Age: 27
Spouse: Emma Mathur
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jun 1863
Parish: St Luke, West Holloway
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Attenborough - farmer
Spouse Father: James Mathur - farmer
Register Type: Parish Register

Dea

Dea Report 10 Jan 2017 11:23

Nor me............

Dea x