Profile | Posted by | Options | Post Date |
|
safc
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 17:12 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Purcell Crescent, Fulham, London, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Baxter Head Married Male 59 1832 Carman Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Elizabeth S Baxter Wife Married Female 58 1833 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Edgar V Baxter Son - Male 14 1877 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Albert J Baxter Son - Male 11 1880 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Sidney C H Baxter Son - Male 9 1882 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Reginal F Baxter Son - Male 16 1875 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Transcription Eliza English Niece Single Female 14 1877 - Fulham, Middlesex, England
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 17:12 |
Bessie Towler is the wife.
Alfred English in the 1911 England Census Name: Alfred English Age in 1911: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Ham [Fulham on image] Civil Parish: Hammersmith County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 75 Cathnor Road, Shepherds Bush, W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Occupation: CONTRACTORS CARMAN BUILDER Registration district: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 211 Household Members: Name Age Alfred English 32 Bessie English 24 Bessie English 7 Ivy English 5 Joseph English 2 Frederick English 0
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 17:05 |
Andrew & Alice's son Alfred Andrew joined the Oxfordshire Light Infantry:
Alfred English in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 Name: Alfred English Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1879 Birth Place: Fulham, Middlesex Age: 19 Document Year: 1898 Regimental Number: 5945 Regiment Name: Oxfords Light Infantry Form Title: Short Service Attestation Number of Images: 5 Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Alfred English Self (Head) Eliza English Sister (Address unknown)
There's a note re a refund of purchase money (in 1916) on re-enlistment of Pte A A English, to Mrs English, 75 Cathnor Road, Shepherds Bush.
Wife? Mother?
EDIT:
Probably wife:
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) ENGLISH Alfred Andrew Fulham 1a 706 Holland Abigail Fulham 1a 706 Johnstone Mountague Cholmeley Fulham 1a 706 Parrott Sarah Ann Chelsea 1a 706 TOWLER Bessie Fulham 1a 706
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 17:00 |
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Andrew Last name English Name note - Age 23 Marriage year 1876 Marriage date 20 Apr 1876 Marriage place Battersea Father's first name(s) Morris Father's last name English Spouse's first name(s) Alice Spouse's last name Deabill Spouse's birth year 1857 Spouse's birth date 1857 Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Deabill Residence Battersea, Surrey, England County Surrey Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:44 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription High Street, Fulham Middlesex, Kensington, Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard English Head Married Male 46 1805 Labourer Great Milton, Oxon, England Eliza English Wife Married Female 40 1811 Green Grocer Chalgrove, Oxon, England Mary Anne English Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England Eliza English Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1843 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England Richard English Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England Caroline English Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Fulham, Middlesex, England Alfred English Son - Male 2 1849 -
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:35 |
1851 - This is very coincidental - a Richard English born c 1811 in the Fulham area and a Garden Labourer . Doesn't say whether married. Maybe Ireland was just dittoed wrongly?
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Loding House, Parsons Green, Fulham, Kensington, Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Mechen Head Married Male 45 1806 Garden Labourer Ireland Mary Mechen Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Ireland John Mechen Son - Male 2 1849 - England Margaret Mechen Daughter - Female 10 1841 - England Danil Murphy Lodger Married Male 50 1801 Garden Labourer Ireland Bridget Murphy Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Ireland Darley Cain Lodger Married Male 35 1816 Garden Labourer Ireland Ball Cain Wife - Female 30 1821 Garden Labourer Ireland Ball Cain Son - Male 5 1846 - England Mary Cain Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Ireland Margaret Cain Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Ireland Thrin Curtin Lodger Married Male 24 1827 - Ireland Norny Curtin Wife Married Female 35 1816 Garden Labourer Ireland Norny Curtin Lodger Married Female 34 1817 - Ireland Transcription Edmond Curtin Son - Male 7 1844 - - Mary Curtin Daughter - Female 5 1846 - - Richard English Lodger - Male 40 1811 Garden Labourer Ireland James English Son - Male 16 1835 - Ireland James English Lodger - Male 17 1834 - Ireland xxxxxxx
xxxxxx - this James not on original
Richard down as an Ag. Lab.
EDIT - VERY coincidental. See later post. Richard and Eliza together in 1851 in Fulham
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:32 |
So where is Alfred Andrew in 1881 ??
Alfred Andrew English in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Alfred Andrew English Registration Year: 1879 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Fulham Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 283
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:32 |
ENGLISH, ELIZA DEABILL Order GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 258
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:31 |
ENGLISH, ALFRED ANDREW DABILL Order GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 283
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:30 |
1891 - Thomas Deabill and Grandson:
Alfred A English in the 1891 England Census Name: Alfred A English Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Fulham, London, England Civil Parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Paddington Sub registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 10 Folio: 110 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Deabill 58 Alfred A English 12
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:27 |
1881 - Alice is with her parents in Battersea, while Andrew (if it's the right Andrew) is lodging in Fulham, listed as single:
Alice English in the 1881 England Census Name: Alice English [Alice Deabill] Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Thomas Deabill Mother: Eliza Deabill Gender: Female Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Battersea County/Island: London Country: England Street address: East Side 23 Bridge Rd Marital Status: Married Registration district: Wandsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 647 Folio: 45 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Deabill 48 Eliza Deabill 56 Alice English 22 - married
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:24 |
Looks to be Richard and Eliza's marriage
West Middlesex Marriage Index Transcription
First name(s) RICHARD Last name ENGLISH Marriage year 1836 Marriage day 16 Marriage month Apr Place CHELSEA Groom's first name(s) Richard Groom's last name ENGLISH Bride's first name(s) Eliza Bride's last name BROWN County Middlesex
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:19 |
Father Richard b Great Milton
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Matyears Cottage, Deadmans Lane, Fulham, Kensington, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard English Head Married Male 50 1811 Market Garden Labourer Great Milton, Oxfordshire, England Transcription Eliza English Wife Married Female 45 1816 - Oxfordshire, England Richard English Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Gardener Fulham, Middlesex, England Caroline English Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England Alfred English Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England Andrew English Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Fulham, Middlesex, England
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:16 |
Are you sure you've been following the same Andrew throughout?
The marriage record to Alice says his father is Thomas:
Alice Deabill in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Alice Deabill Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Age: 19 Spouse: Andrew English Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 20 Apr 1876 Parish: St Mary, Battersea Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Thomas Deabill Spouse Father: Thomas English Register Type: Parish Register
BUT the 1861 & 1871 censuses at Deadman's Lane say that Andrew's father was Richard:
Andrew English in the 1861 England Census Name: Andrew English Age: 7 Estimated birth year: 1854 Relation: Son Father's name: Richard English Mother's name: Eliza English Gender: Male Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 27 Folio: 4 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Richard English 50 Eliza English 45 Richard English 15 Caroline English 103 Alfred English 11 Andrew English 7
Perhaps Richard's son is this Andrew ??
Andrew English in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Andrew English Registration Year: 1853 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Kensington Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 109
In fact, I can't see the birth of an Andrew English in Oxfordshire 1850-60. How do you know "your" Andrew was born there?
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:16 |
Where was he actually born - your OP says Fulham and Oxfordshire? Is this who you think is him -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ENGLISH, ANDREW BROWN GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULHAM Volume 01A Page 109
1881 had him as single
|
|
ArgyllGran
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:10 |
Although he married in 1876, the 1881 census says he's unmarried - though of course census info isn't foolproof.
|
|
greyghost
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 16:08 |
1911 census age would fit with death info posted by safc. Says married, so is Alice still alive?
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First name(s) Andrew Last name English Relationship Lodger Marital status Married Sex Male Occupation General Labourer Age 62 Birth year 1849 Birth place Oxford Great Milton Address Hammersmith Road Parish Hammersmith County London Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Fulham Registration district number 3 Enumeration district 43 District number 43 Sub district South Hammersmith Sub district number 2 Census reference RG14PN266 RD3 SD2 ED43 SN1 RG78 code number 8 Piece number 266
|
|
safc
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 15:34 |
????
Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%) English Andrew 72 Poplar 1c 372
|
|
Michael
|
Report
|
2 Feb 2017 15:28 |
I have not been able to find the death of Andrew English born 13/4/1853 Fulham London, born Great Milton Oxfordshire. Married Alice Deabill on 20/4/1876 Battersea London I have found him on the following Census 1861 at Deadmans Lane Fulham 1871 at Deadmans Lane Fulham 1881 at 17 Serffs Tce Lane staying with Jane Parry 1891 cannot find 1901 cannot find 1911 at Nazareth House Hammersmith age slightly out but place of birth Great Milton, Oxfordshire correct Any ideas please Thanks Mike.
|