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Not jumping out, sorry!...

Chris :)

Chris. just looked at the cert again and it states Westminster goodness knows why I had Kensington on my mind., sorry about that. It's my age !!!!!. I did find in 1841 a John Wingfield and. Simon Jackson on same census, so wonder if any connection with those 2 and Eliza. By June that would have made Lucy Sophia Wingfield about 3 months old so she would have been listed on the census. States on her birth certificate father was a Baker.

Looking on google search, 1841 Census taken 6th June.

Chris :)

(below also from google, which seems to fit with 1841 Birth, Westminster, did you say Kensington?)

Survey of London: Volumes 31 and 32, St James Westminster, Part 2. ..... 65) The widening of Crown Court extended Rupert Street to Little Pulteney Street but ... plot a passage-way 9 feet wide led through Smith's Court to Great Windmill Street.

Edits (near Piccadilly Circus/ Brewer Street looking on map)

Just received the birth certificate for Lucy Sophia Wingfield and it states born 4th April 1841, born 12 Smiths Court in Kensington. would that be around the time the census was taken?. Father John Wingfield and mother Eliza Wingfield formerly Jackson . I seem to be no further advanced because I still am unable to find any of them either in the 1841 or 1851 census. Any more help will be appreciated if possible

Many thanks, have sent for birt cert for Lucy Sophia Wingfield, think that's the only way forward.

(yes, that 1891 on other 'Thread' also!)

ArgyllGran Report 24 Dec 2016 17:05

Chris :)

Lucy Richards
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name
Lucy Richards
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1891
County
Surrey
Parish
Croydon
Ecclesiastical Parish
ST SAVIOURS
Registration District
Croydon
Residence Note
White Horse Road
Gender
Female
Age
50
Marital Status
Married
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)
1841
Birthplace
London, England
Page Number
6
Registration Number
RG12
Piece/Folio
593/ 54
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
William Richards
Head
M
52
Surrey, England
Lucy Richards
Wife
F
50
London, England
Rose Richards
Daughter
F
14
Surrey, England
John Richards
Son
M
10
Surrey, England
Nellie Richards
Daughter
F
9
Surrey, England
Dasey Richards
Daughter
F
8
Surrey, England
Harry Richards
Son
M
3
Surrey, England

Deaths Jun 1900   (>99%)

Richards
 Lucy Sophia
 59
 Croydon
 2a
154

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363851?page=1

(I knew that 1859 Marriage was ringing a bell, lol, was on above also, from me)

Chris :)

(think a good idea to get Birth Cert., better to have correct info., am sure your friend would agree, better for his 'Tree' in the long run!)

still think that lucy skinner in census I posted could be your lucy her mother may have been living with a skinner so used that name for lucy when she went to school

Do remember that Civil Registration didn't start until 1837 and those for births didn't come compulsory until 1873. We've probably all found families where may be the first born, or the boys, were registered and the rest weren't.

just looked again there is no lucy Hannah skinner born 1841 in Westminster area

Just looked Lucy Skenner up and it is Lucy Skinner but I see she is a Lucy Hannah Skinner.

Sorry about duplicating the topic, hadn't realised I had done it already.. Malyon , that's an interest thought, her being under another name. Will have to look up a Skenner/Wingfield marriage. I have just seen the marriage of her to William Richards and it states her father William Wingfield

could Lucy's mother married again I found a lucy in school in 1851 census name skenner but have found no birth for this lucy under name skenner in 1841 I cant find a marriage for a lucy skenner this is why I think this could be your lucy under that name

Event Date
1851
Event Place
Saint James Westminster, Middlesex, England
Registration District
Saint James Westminster
Gender
Female
Age
10
Marital Status
Unmarried
Occupation
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household
Scholar
Institution
The Burlington School
Birth Year (Estimated)
1841
Birthplace
St James, Middlesex
Page Number
41
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
1485 / 372
Affiliate Record Type
Household

Event Date
1851
Event Place
Saint James Westminster, Middlesex, England
Registration District
Saint James Westminster

Lucy Skenner
Scholar
F
10
St James, Middlesex

lucy is the only wingfield born in st james Westminster no other children born there

not finding a marriage for a wingfield and Jackson fron 1838

It certainly looks like it, Chris.

As this is the second attempt to sort out her birth family, it looks as if the BC is the only option.

Although we love to help by look up records, it's preferable that you don't start new threads about the same family or person. Just add a sentence to the original thread to bring it back to the top of the page.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364341

(does above relate here?)

Chris :)

(not seeing a Baptism Find My Past, they have a Westminster Collection)

I am doing the tree for a friend, have already bought a couple of Certs so really don't want to go into too much expense, but if I have to then so be it. Thought I would go through this route first to see if anyone can come up with some ideas.

I have tried to find a marriage for Wingfield and Jackson with no luck. Perhaps he was a soldier.