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In 1965 a John Joseph Percy Marshall married Myrtle Oates. He was 52 and she was 50.
They are a part of a tree I am researching. I have earlier family, but need somethiong checking.

In 1965 a birth of Mandy Marshall, Mother Oates reg in Bucklow
A birth of a Lee Harrison Marshall. Mother Oates. 1967 in Bucklow.

The age of JJPMarshall and his wife would I think mean that they were too old, but would be grateful if anyone can help with any information as to parents of the two children. Many thanks. Ethel.

Free bmd has a Marshall/Oates wedding in Macclesfield in 1964 who could be the parents. (Bucklow is Cheshire, next to Macclesfield registration district)

Do you have the marriage cert, to check her status. She may have been married previously and Oates was her married name. There is one marriage in 1937 in Hamstead for Myrtle G Butterwick to Herbert Oates.

Looks correct Flip- birth date on Death reg, fits birth qtr:

Death:

First name(s) MYRTLE GRACE
Last name MARSHALL
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 2
Birth year 1914
Death quarter 4
Death year 2006
District Luton
District number 3151B
Register number B74F
Entry number 131
Date of registration mm/yy 1006
County Bedfordshire
Country England
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Birth:
Name: Myrtle G Butterwick
Mother's Maiden Name: Warrington
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a Page: 169
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So if there were any children, mother's maiden name would be recorded as Butterwick.

They were living together before marriage:

Willesden, Brent 1965 electoral register:
5 Lydford Road:

John J P Marshal
Myrtle G Oates

(as well as several other people at same address)

This is Myrtle in 1939: transcription is awful- they appear under surname Gates! I've corrected from original

1939 Gates Household (2 People) 47 Broomsleigh Street , Hampstead, London,

Herbert J Oates 09 Jul 1908 Male Fish Monger assistant Married
Marjorie G (Myrtle) Marshall (Oates) 17 Feb 1915 Female Razor Blade Machiner Married
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Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Oates Herbert John Hampstead 1a 583

Herbert John Oates in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Herbert John Oates
Birth Date: 9 Jul 1908
Date of Registration: Sep 1982
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Penzance
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 0338

Previous marriage for John:

First name(s) JOHN J P
Last name MARSHALL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1937
Spouse: Florence A Gadsden
Spouse's last name Gadsden
District Rochford
County Essex
Volume 4A Page 1807
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3 possible children born to this marriage

John's first wife in 1939:

Gadsden Household 2 Wootton Broadmead Bedford , Bedford R.D., Bedfordshire, England

Ernest F Gadsden 14 Jul 1887 Male Ganger Railway Repair Heavy Work Married
Florence Gadsden 04 Oct 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Arthur F Gadsden 14 Jul 1917 Male Butchers Salesman And Cutte Single
Leslie T Gadsden 05 Aug 1919 Male General Lab Brick Works Un Single
Closed Record
Florence A E Marshall 01 Apr 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Closed Record

AIRMAN FINED WA.C. John Joseph Percy Marshall (28), airman, was summoned for driving motor lorry and trailer without due care and attention at Henlow on February 20th. Defendant pleaded not guilty. Andrew Russell Carlisle, Inspector Special Constabulary

Above in Biggleswade chronicle 14/3/41 which could explain why isn't with Florence on 1939 register

In York this time:

Yorkshire Evening Post - Thursday 22 April 1948

Bus Conductor Fined
John Joseph Percy Marshall, Scarcroft Road, York was fined £1 at York today for failing to take reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of his passengers. It was alleged that Eliza Hadakin (74) was boarding a bus when it moved off and she fell to the ground.

Herbert John Oates went on to marry Jessie M Merrified in 1958

Herbert J Oates in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Herbert J Oates
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1958
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Jessie M Merrifield
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 501


Jessie Mary Oates in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Jessie Mary Oates
Birth Date: 22 Jun 1910
Date of Registration: Jul 1985
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Penzance
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 292


Jessie M Oates (Merrifield) on the 1939 Register

Merrifield Household (3 People) 49 Crabtree Avenue , Wembley M.B., Middlesex, England

Jessie M Oates (Merrifield) 22 Jun 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 171 2
George A Merrifield 18 Jun 1906 Male Printers Assistant Married 171 1
Leonard Merrifield 13 Feb 1935 Male Under School Age Single 171 4

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Merrifield George A Tombs Paddington 1a 124
Tombs Jessie M Merrifield Paddington 1a 124


TOMBS, JESSIE MARY mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 165

Many thanks for your replies. Still trying to find the parents of Mandy and Lee Marshall born in the 1965 to 1967 born bucklow. Ethel.

Patchem posted a possible marriage in 1964 - between Geoffrey H and Margaret M, which are the most likely parents relating to the births. You'd need to get one of the birth certs to be sure though.

The marriage that I posted was for 1964, on free bmd
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Geoffrey H Marshall and Margaret M Oates could have been born around 1940, and so are probably still alive.

There are various births on free bmd for both of them, but I cannot remember a birth for either of them in either Bucklow or Macclesfield.
Similarly possible deaths dotted around.

There are then various possible marriages for the children all around the country etc etc.

If you want to completely disprove any link, then you need a birth certificate for one/both of the children.

I think we've successfully proved that they aren't the children of John and Myrtle. Is it not John and Myrtle you are researching?

Thank you all for your efforts. I think we will have to leave this for now and try when over in Cheshire later. Ethel.