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Can any kind soul please see if they can spot this family on the 1861 please? I have them on the 41, 51, 71 etc. they moved around a bit. Thanks.


Name Jacob Hurst
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1813
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Alice Hurst
Gender Male
Where born Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish St George
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 4994
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Sub-registration district
Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel 1a
Household schedule number 101
Piece 2199
Folio 16
Page number 25
Household Members
Name
Age
Jacob Hurst 38
Alice Hurst 48
Alice Hurst 15
Martha Hurst 11
Jacob Hurst 8
Mary Hurst 4
Elizabeth McCreesh 20
John McCreesh 27
Ellen McCreesh 2 Mo

Possibly Alice with daughter Mary??

Mary Hurst
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Hurst
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1846
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Alice Hurst
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ince and Wigan St Catherine
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2780
Folio: 92
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Hurst 57 - born Bolton, married, toll collector
Mary Hurst 15

Martha with nephew:

Martha Hurst
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Martha Hurst
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: 1839
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Westhoughton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Westhoughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2811
Folio: 62
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Hurst 22 - toll collector
Jacob McCrish 3

Possibly son Jacob ??

Jacob Hurst
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jacob Hurst
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Derbyshire, England <<<<<<< as in 1851 & 1871
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 2777
Folio: 96
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wood 41
Mary Wood 39
Elizabeth Wood 17
Sarah Hughes 12
Jane Livesay 25
Jacob Hurst 20 - assistant butcher
John Morris 23
John Atherton 17
Robt Kearsley 16
Henry Pennels 22

Thank you ArgyllGran. Looks as though the family were slightly scattered at that time.

Jacob was definitely a toll collector. xx

Don't see daughter Alice in later censuses, nor a marriage in Wigan 1851-61.
Maybe she died ??

Deaths Jun 1851 (>99%)
Hurst Alice Wigan 21 619


Deaths Sep 1851 (>99%)
HURST Alice Wigan 21 [35]64


Deaths Sep 1853 (>99%)
Hurst Alice Wigan 8c 6

Deaths Dec 1860 (>99%)
Hurst Alice Wigan 8c 66

I did wonder about this one.....

Burial: 24 Mar 1856 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Alice Hurst -
    Age: 20 Years
    Abode: Westhoughton
    Buried by: John Brame Curate of Leigh

Westhoughton comes into this family at times and the age would be about right.

Jacob hurst
death
September 1887
Wigan, Lancashire, England

Is that a death record, Malyon? [EDIT: Yes, you've now added the word "death"]

Is that this one?

Deaths Sep 1887 (>99%)
Hurst Jacob 76 Wigan 8c 55

alice oaks

Birth
about 1803
Bolton, Lancashire, England

alice hurst
Death
27 August 1874
Manchester, Lancashire, England

Yes thanks Malyon.....I found those and quite a lot of other things too....its just this 1861 census which is bugging me.

I don't see Jacob senior at all in 1861, not even in prison or hospital, with only initials!

I keep coming back to this one, although all the details are wrong - just because he's born in Lancs, and Chapel-le-Frith is where Jacob junior was born.
Also I can't see this man in any other census.
I'll post it just in case.
He's not born in Wigan / Atherton, he's widowed, and his surname's not Hurst - but still . . . . ?

Jacob Ketchin
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jacob Ketchin
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: 1811
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Hartington Upper Quarter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Buxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 2545
Folio: 87
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
George Plant 70
Sarah Plant 64
Mary Jackson 12
Jacob Ketchin 50
Thomas Plant 18

Thank you again ArgyllGran......that's a possibility I agree. Will look into it. :-)

this could be the above Jacob in 1871
Jacob Kitchen
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name
Jacob Kitchen
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1871
Event Place
Burbage, Upper Hartington Quarter, Derbyshire, England
Enumeration District
5
Gender
Male
Age
62
Marital Status
Widowed
Occupation
Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household
Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated)
1809
Birthplace
Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire
Entry Number
5
Affiliate Image Identifier
GBC/1871/3635/0071
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Thomas Plant
Head
M
25
Macclesfield, Cheshire
Jane Plant
Wife
F
32
Flash, Staffordshire
George Plant
Son
M
9
Flash, Staffordshire
Thomas E Plant
Son
M
7
Flash, Staffordshire
William H Plant
Son
M
5
Burbage, Derbyshire
Mary J Plant
Daughter
F
2
Burbage, Derbyshire
Jacob Kitchen
Boarder
M
62
Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire

Yes, you're right, Malyon.

Another theory bites the dust!

Oh dear......never mind. Thank you both for your input. x

Using the new GRO index, etc.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HURST, JACOB CROMPTON Order
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in BARTON, WORSLEY AND FLIXTON Volume 20

Name: Age at Death (in years):
HURST, JACOB 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in BARTON, WORSLEY & FLIXTON Volume 20 Page 181

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
HURST Jacob Barton on Irwell Salford BAR/1/78

HURST, MARTHA CROMPTON Order
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in CHAPEL EN LE FRITH Volume 19 Page 442

http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/derbyshire-registrars-birth-index
First name(s) Last name Birth year Subdistrict
Martha Hurst 1840 Chapel-En-Le-Frith
[This was just the free info - maybe there's more with a sub]

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1846[q3]
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
HURST Mary CROMPTON Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/20/79

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851[q1]
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
MCCREESH Ellen HURST Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/30/468


http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Baptism: 15 Dec 1833 St John, Bury, Lancashire, England
Grace Hurst - Daughter of Jacob Hurst & Alice
Born: 28 Nov 1833
Abode: Bury
Occupation: Tollbar Keeper
Baptised by: Thos. Selkirk Minr.
Register: Baptisms 1821 - 1859, Page 89, Entry 710
Source: LDS Film 2113010

Baptism: 5 Apr 1839 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Jacob Hurst - Son of Jacob Hurst & Alice
Abode: Eccles
Occupation: Toll Collector
Baptised by: J. Chadwick, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1841, Page 74, Entry 589
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 30 May 1847 St Saviour, Ringley, Lancashire, England
John Hurst - Son of Jacob Hurst & Alice
Abode: Kersley
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: J. Barnsdall
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1847, Entry 1967
Source: LDS Film 1545744

Ooops nearly missed this. Thanks mgnv.....I have scoured Lopt until I am cross-eyed. This family sure got around. Cx