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Thank you all, very helpful. brenda

He was not mentioned as Landlord of a pub - he was baptised from that address by his parents (Father was the Lic. Vict)

1939 shows him as a Wood Turner
and ETHEL's 1953 probate shows him as a shopkeeper

Attercliffe and Darnall areas of Sheffield are about 1.5 miles apart

John Joseph Wainwright b 1889 mmn Backhouse

Baptised s/o Joseph Wainwright and Christiana

Joseph Wainwright married Christiana Backhouse 1888

All on 1891 census together

Believe John Joseph was originally a Cabinet maker, but later in life had a cafe/shop in High Hazels Park. Lived in Darnell Sheffield, at 19 Gladstone Street, So it is not the one mentioned as a Landlord of a Attercliffe Pub.
Now I have his wife's name, Edith, hope to get his parents names if possible.
Thank you.

Wife Ethel died 1953 -

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1953 (>99%)
WAINWRIGHT Ethel 63 Sheffield 2d 152

Ethel Wainwright of 19 Gladstone Street Darnall Sheffield 9 (wife of John Joseph Wainwright) died 7 January 1953 Administration Wakefield 7 March to John joseph Wainwright shopkeeper.

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and son John in 1964
Deaths Dec 1964 (>99%)
WAINWRIGHT JOHN S 47 SHEFFIELD 2D 69

Probate - John Stanley Wainwright of 35 Highfield Lane Orgreave Sheffield 13 died 29 November 1964 at Royal Hospital Sheffield Administration wakefield 31 December to Hold Mary Wainwright widow.

Address where John Joseph died the following year

Possibly John Joseph's death from the freebmd site. The site only goes up to 1983 at the latest, some results end earlier as it is an ongoing project. You start to get into the realms of needing a commercial website which will go to 2006/7

Deaths Sep 1965 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Pag
WAINWRIGHT JOHN J 76 ROTHER V. 2C 572

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If so this is his probate record from the free to use site
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

John Joseph Wainwright of 19 Gladstone Street Sheffield 9 died 16 August 1965 at 35 Highfiled Lane Sheffield 13. Probate Wakefield 22 September to Allan Greenslade works civil engineer

Not all estates went to probate.

Home address same as 1939 register address

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)
Allsop Mary Sheffield 9c 415
Capper George Sheffield 9c 415
Peace Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 415
Wainwright John Sheffield 9c 415

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Old Engine Crickett, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Wainwright Head Married Male 30 1831 Coal Miner Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mary Wainwright Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Clara Wainwright Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1854 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Agnes Wainwright Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Wainwright Son Unmarried 1 1860 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

There are 3 Joseph Wainwright births in Sheffield a year either side of the year shown on the 1891 census for Joseph. If he said he was 31 when the 1891 census was taken them 1891-31 = 1860, but is more likely to be 1859. Ages often altered by a year or so over time too. This is where his marriage certificate could come in useful - find on later census and see who Father is.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WAINWRIGHT, JOSEPH CHAPMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 270

WAINWRIGHT, JOSEPH ALLSOP Order
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 367

WAINWRIGHT, JOSEPH FENBY Order
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 322

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It looks like Joseph mmn Chapman probably died soon after his birth
Name: Age at Death (in years):
WAINWRIGHT, JOSEPH 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 183

and the 1861 birth aged 6 in 1868
(it would also be too late (he would be only 29 in 1891 when the census was taken)
Name: Age at Death (in years): WAINWRIGHT, JOSEPH 6 Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 318

so the Wainwright/Allsop marriage is most likely

Possible death of his Father. From the 1891 census you know his age and going back to the freebmd site you can check for deaths
??
Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
Wainwright Joseph 31 Sheffield 9c 574

With all these bmd results you need to buy certificates to check and confirm. Determine one generation before you go back another.

Birth certificates should give Father's name (in most cases) and Mother's maiden name and any previous married names.

Marriage certificates will give ages and the names and occupations of Father's of the couple.

Deaths are hopefully registered by a relative.

John Joseph and his Mother with relatives in 1901 and 1911. His Father is deceased. Along with the 1891 census you can see wider family relationships.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
306, Stainforth Road, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Leary Head Married Female 52 1849 - Yorkshire, England
Thomas Leary Son Single Male 21 1880 General Labourer In Steel Works Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Samuel N Leary Son Single Male 20 1881 Steel Works Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
William Backhouse Brother Single Male 51 1850 Joiner Yorkshire, England
Christina Wainwright Sister Widow Female 43 1858 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John T Wainwright Nephew Single Male 12 1889 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
George Marshall Boarder Single Male 35 1866 General Labourer In Steel Works Warwick, Warwickshire, England
William Hambleton Boarder Single Male 21 1880 Bricklayer Derbyshire, England

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
306 Staniforth Road Attercliffe Sheffield, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur John Morris Head Married Male Railway Spring Maker 41 1870 Staffordshire Wolverhampton
Mary Elizabeth Morris Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Yorkshire Sheffield
William Backhouse Uncle Single Male Joiner 61 1850 Yorkshire Chapletown
Christiana Wainwright Aunt Widow Female - 53 1858 Yorkshire Sheffield
John Joseph Wainwright Cousin Single Male Butchers Assistant 22 1889 Yorkshire Sheffield
George Marshall Boarder Single Male Railway Goods Porter 48 1863 Warwickshire Warwick
Doris Mad Moore Niece - Female School 9 1902 Yorkshire Sheffield
Agnes Elliott Niece - Female School 5 1906 Yorkshire Sheffield
Constance Elliott Niece - Female School 5 1906 Yorkshire Sheffield
Joseph Elliott Nethew - Male - 4 1907 Yorkshire Sheffield

Family in 1891 - address as per baptism posted by ChrisHo

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dog & Patridge, Attercliffe Road, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Wainwright Head Married Male 31 1860 Licenced Victualler Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Christiana Wainwright Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John J Wainwright Son Single Male 2 1889 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Harriet Leary Niece Single Female 16 1875 Barmaid Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Alice Leary Niece Single Female 13 1878 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Eliza Coysh Servant Single Female 17 1874 General Servant Domestic Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
William Ward Servant Widower Male 49 1842 Stableman Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Thomas Mapplebeck Visitor Single Male 33 1858 Discharged Soldier Yorkshire, England

From another free to use website

https://www.gro.gov.uk

This would appear to be John Joseph's birth with the Mother's maiden name given. This is a relatively new site and gives mmn from date registration first started in 1837 through to 1915. On other sites (freebmd or commercial) mmn only shows from late 1911 onwards

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WAINWRIGHT, JOHN JOSEPH BACKHOUSE Order
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 571

You can then look for a marriage back on freebmd for possible parents (as posted by ChrisHo earlier)
and you can check for possible siblings on the gro site and then try to find the family on census

You can use the freebmd site to check for the birth of John S by inputting surname Wainwright, mothers surname Clarke year 1917.

If you give a year range you will see other births to Wainwright/Clarke parents, but there are other marriages to account for these.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Wainwright John S Clarke Sheffield 9c 1092

I would think he is their only child.

There is a 6 week period allowed to register a child's birth, so if John S was born in July as per 1939 register, then a registration in the September Quarter would fit. Later in July and it's possible you might find the registration in the later December Quarter

What else do you want to know Brenda? We will help if we know.

All you asked for originally was help to find the first name of the person he married. That has been given to you and an explanation of how you can find these things yourself from a free to use website. I said you seem to know quite a bit already as you appear to know his full name, year of birth, and where and when he married and her surname.

Now you say you don't know much about him - so is it that actually you want to know more about him other than who he married?

This is him on the 1939 register - original shows initial J not H

Wainwright Household (3 People)
19 Gladstone Street , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
John H Wainwright 12 Mar 1889 Male Wood Machinist Married 183 1
Ethel Wainwright 04 May 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 183 2
John S Wainwright 10 Jul 1917 Male Builders Merchants Clerk Single 183 3

WAINWRIGHT, John Joseph (of Dog and Partridge Inn, born 1889-03-12).
Baptised April 10, 1889, by G Depledge at Christ Church, Attercliffe.
Parents name(s) are Christiana & Joseph (Licensed Victualler).
Note: ~
Sponsor: ~ :Page No 100 :Reg No 794

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/

(worth a look round on above, useful Sheffield)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Backhouse Christiana Sheffield 9c 588
Wainwright Joseph Sheffield 9c 588


BACKHOUSE, Christiana (of Attercliffe, born ~).
Baptised June 13, 1858, by C T Wilkinson at Christ Church, Attercliffe.
Parents name(s) are Mary & John (Moulder).
Note: ~
Sponsor: ~ :Page No 146 :Reg No 1185

Thanks, don't know much about him, bit sketchy.

Use this free site, https://www.freebmd.org.uk
(put it in your favourites and practice how to use it) -

As you seem to know quite a bit already you could enter more details but sometimes less is more

enter Wainwright, John, 1916, in appropriate boxes in the marriage search facility

Shows Jun 1916
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Wainwright John J Clarke Sheffield 9c 1204

Click on the Page no. 1204, another screen opens and it will show you

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Clarke Ethel Wainwright Sheffield 9c 1204
Gibson John E Heathcote Sheffield 9c 1204
Heathcote Rose Gibson Sheffield 9c 1204
Wainwright John J Clarke Sheffield 9c 1204

So now you can see who he married.

Brenda ............

what do you REALLY want to know??

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Clarke Ethel Wainwright Sheffield 9c 1204
Wainwright John J Clarke Sheffield 9c 1204

Andy

John Joseph Wainwright born 1889 married to ? Clarke 1916' Sheffield Yorks. Any help with this please. Brenda