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Andrew, Yes Ronald my m-I-laws elder brother, after him they moved back to Henry's home village, where rest of children born.
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AustinQ, Witnesses, were, H &. E. F Puddifoot. Not a connected name I 've come across as yet in the family. ( Puddifoot quite a local name in that part of Bucks) & I've not been able to locate them yet, census etc. Kenward doesn't ring a bell, & no Lillian at that address in the census, so if the address was real she moved there after census.
Alviegal, Yes, that's the family I was looking at in ref. to the single Mum, pleased you have found & concluded the same as me. Think it's going to have to be a BC, if only to rule it out & then the only proof would be a matching birth day & month.
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I think this may be Lilian born to single mother, Mary. Perhaps William was invented to save face on her MC?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Small Grove Farm, Pepsal End, Flamstead, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
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Matthew Draper Head Married Male 59 1832 Farm Labourer Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
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Susan Draper Wife Married Female 66 1825 - Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
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>>Mary Draper Daughter Single Female 30 1861 Domestic Servant Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
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>>Lilly Draper Grandchild - Female 4 1887 - Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Looks like Mary married if this is them. Not sure where Lillly is.
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chaul End, Caddington, Luton, Bedfordshire, England
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Frederick Cook Head Married Male 46 1855 Stockman On Farm Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
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Mary A Cook Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
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Susan Draper Mother-In-Law Widow Female 74 1827 - Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
EDIT Possible Lilly.
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
School House, Caddington, Luton, Bedfordshire, England
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George Hyde Head Married Male 32 1869 Elementary Certificated Teacher Barton, Bedfordshire, England
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Louisa Hyde Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Charlton, Kent, England
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Claudius G Hyde Son Single Male 6 1895 - Caddington, Bedfordshire, England
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Bernard P Hyde Son Single Male 4 1897 - Caddington, Bedfordshire, England
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Leslie R Hyde Son Single Male 2 1899 - Caddington, Bedfordshire, England
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>>Lilian Cook Servant Single Female 14 1887 General Servant (Domestic) Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 London Road Markyate Near Dunstable, Markyate, Hertfordshire, England
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George Draper Head Married Male Farm Labourer 52 1859 Herts Kinsbourn Green
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Hanerah Jane Draper Wife Married Female - 56 1855 Herts Flamstead
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Susan Draper Mother Widow Female - 85 1826 Herts Flamstead
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People at 99 Whippendell Road in 1911:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
99 Whippindell Road Watford, Watford Urban, Hertfordshire, England
Percy E Kenward Head Married Male Shop Assistant 21 1890 Herts Bushey
Jessie L Kenward Wife Married Female - 20 1891 Herts Bushey
(Jessie's maiden name Jones)
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Who were the witnesses on the marriage Linda?
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Lovely, on the whole your info is same as mine ( with exception of Kidderminster, will look at that). Found her on 1939 which confirmed day & month of birth ( which hubby did know) & matched age to marriage cert ( she could have still been reducing her age though, P'haps). Married name was Fox, have death details as in mother in laws diary. So have all info onwards from marriage, just an alien (lol) from before. Lynn.
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if it was fox
a maybe
Fox Household (4 People) Garage Hed?by Park , Eton R.D., Buckinghamshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lillian T I Fox 28 Nov 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 143 2
Henry Fox 01 Jul 1892 Male Haulage Contractor Heavy Worker Married 143 1
Ronald H Fox 06 Apr 1912 Male Head Slaughterman Butchers Assistant Single 143 3
Doris M Scourfield (Fox) 09 Jun 1922 Female Daily Domestic Single 143 4
the T in lillians name x out
RONALD HENRY
Last name FOX
Gender Male
Birth day 6
Birth month 4
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1992
District Wycombe
Register number 892
County Buckinghamshire
Volume 19
Page 1376
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Fox Ronald H Draper Watford 3a 1685
If so, she married Henry Fox
Andy
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So was her married name Eames or Fox?
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Draper Lilian I Watford 3a 1526 Scan available - click to view
Eames Charles W Watford 3a 1526 Scan available - click to view
Fox Henry Watford 3a 1526 Scan available - click to view
Trott Annie E Watford 3a 1526 Scan available - click to view
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as malyon has asked, with her married name may be able to find her in 1939 reg and hopefully an accuate birth date.
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do you know when lilian died was her married name Eames did they live in the Lewisham area
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there is also this one ?????????????????
DRAPER, LILIAN CARTER Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 2
1891
Park Street, Kidderminster Borough, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
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William Draper Head Married Male 26 1865 Builders Labourer Clunbury, Shropshire, England
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Alice Draper Wife Married Female 33 1858 Dress Maker Bewdley, Worcestershire, England
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Agnes Draper Daughter - Female 14 1877 - Bewdley, Worcestershire, England
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Lilian Draper Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
but in 1901 father is a stoker in gasworks and in 1911
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as you already said could be this lilian no middle name she could have lied about her age when she married being older then your grandfather hemel hampsted is in the Watford area
Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Draper
Lilian
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Hi, My husbands Grandmother married his Grandfather on 8th Nov. 1911, her birthday was 28 th Nov. 1889 , confirmed by 1939 register. He was 19 she 21. Details on Marrige Cert show Lilian Irene Draper, spinster, no employment. Father William Draper deceased, was a Farmer. They married at Watford Registry Office.
So far I haven't been able to find any form of Birth registration or census that ties in with this info. Her address at marriage was 99 Whippendell Rd. Watford. I have allowed for the possibility that she may have been a little older than 21 ( as he only 19) . The nearest I can get is a Lilian Draper registered in Ist qtr of 1887 in Hemel Hempstead to a single Mother & baptised in February, Mother Mary.
My husband when thinking back says he remembers relatives from his Grandfathers side, but cannot remember seeing or even hearing about his Gran's side.
If anyone can help or have suggestions on where else to try, I would be very grateful. Currently :-S
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