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Can I just recap Alvie...

So Elizabeth and John were both widowed before they married one another?

So Elizabeth Williams married a Vaughn who died and then she went on to marry John Bowen?

So in the 1911 that you posted, Charles is named as a nephew but the Williams are his wifes family not his? and where is Elizabeth in 1911?

Sorry if I'm a bit confused :-S

Sorry to harp back to it but the Charles in 1881 that is an infant is living in the same area as this Elizabeth. Could she be his mother? Also the head of the household where he is living is a Blacksmith. Co-incidence?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Aston House, Mill Street, Hopesay, Clun, Shropshire, England
Thomas Poole Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer 366a Employing 5 Men & 2 Boys Montgomeryshire, Wales
Margaret Poole Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Baschurch, Shropshire, England
Emma E Poole Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Farmers Daughter Shropshire, England
Edith M Poole Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Thomas Poole Son Single Male 12 1869 Farmers Son Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Margaret B Poole Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Catherine G Poole Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Farmers Daur Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Mary J Jukes Governess Single Female 24 1857 Farmers Daur (T) Rodington, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Bowen Servant Single Female 19 1862 Domestic Servant Clunbury, Shropshire, England
James Corns Servant Single Male 14 1867 Farm Servant (Indoor) Clun, Shropshire, England
John Barratt Servant Single Male 15 1866 Farm Servant (Indoor) Clunbury, Shropshire, England

Copying over the 1911.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
110 St Anne St Chester, Chester, Cheshire, England

Charles Williams Head Married Male Labourer 39 1872 Flintshire Hammer
Elizabeth Williams Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Flintshire Hammer
>>Charles Bowen Nephew Married Male Labourer 33 1878 Flintshire Hammer
Fredrick Charles Mathews Boarder Married Male Traveler Dealer In Gramaphones 38 1873 America Resident
Agnes Mathews Boarder Married Female - 35 1876 Edinburgh Scotland
Robt Lindsey Mathews Boarder - Male - 4 1907 Leith Scotland
Hope Ernest Mathews Boarder - Male - 2 1909 Leith Scotland
Helen Hogg Price Boarder Widow Female Teacher Of Music 40 1871 Polton Lasswade
Helen Mary Price Boarder - Female - 8 1903 Berwick N B Mitchelstown Co Cork T


EDIT This may be his birth.


First name(s) Charles
Last name Bowan
Birth year 1879
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 21
Baptism month Sep
Place Hanmer
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

I was thinking they're both very young to be widowed but they are both ABOUT 21. John Powell and Eliza Powell? are the witnesses.
She makes her mark as Elizabeth Bowen late Vaughan. Her father is Thomas Williams, a labourer.

Alviegal ,

is this a Eureka moment??

I was trying to connect the Charles Bowen RootsGatherer found as it states Nephew and the family were Williams, in your post, Elizabeth Vaughn's father is a Williams...does that mean Elizabeth was married before John Bowen as she isnt a Williams?

:-)

Here is that marriage in more detail Maddie. They have both been widowed and John is a labourer. The family posted by rootgatherer in 1911 are Williams.


Shropshire marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Vaughan
Birth year 1859
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 02 Aug 1880
Marriage place Ludford
Denomination Anglican
Residence Ludford
Age 21
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Williams
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Bowen
Spouse's residence Ludford
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Bowen
County Shropshire

just in case

John
Last name Bowen
Name note -
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 01 Aug 1880
Marriage place Ludford
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Vaughan
County Shropshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Good thinking AG. Perhaps this one is worth looking at?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>John Bowen Head Married Male 60 1831 Potters Ovenman Burslem, Staffordshire, England
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Charlotte Bowen Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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>>Charles Bowen Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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Mary Bowen Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Potters Paintress Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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Beatrice Bowen Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Penkhull, Staffordshire, England
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John M Bowen Grandson - Male 2 1889 - Halifax, Yorkshire, England


Distance between Bucknall and Penkhull is 12 min (3.7 mi) via A52.


EDIT This one married Sarah Ann Turner and stayed in Staffs. so he can be ruled out :-( :-(

There are other Bucknell / Bucknalls - Oxfordshire, Lincolnshire, Staffordshire. Just thinking maybe the census clerk assumed he meant the Shropshire one.

Although I must admit that searches of the 1881 census on that basis don't produce any likely results.

I was also looking at the above with mother, Lizzie. Of course, his father could be made up. Was wondering about this 1881. Seemingly Munslow isn't far from Tugford. Bucknell is further away though.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Craven Arms Road, Hopesay, Clun, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert Teague Head Married Male 24 1857 Blacksmith Kempton, Shropshire, England
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Sarah Teague Wife Married Female 24 1857 Wife Of Blacksmith Clunton, Shropshire, England
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Mary Teague Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Infant Kempton, Shropshire, England
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Charles Bowen Boarder Single Male 1 1880 Infant Munslow, Shropshire, England

Bucknell, Shropshire can't be his place of birth, unless he was born under another surname.

Charles Christopher was the only Charles Bowen born in the right reg district for Bucknell, and we've ruled him out.

Also, 1901 is the only census in which a Charles Bowen born Bucknell appears.

CHARLES
Last name BOWEN
Birth year 1880
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Ludlow
County Shropshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 588
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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© Findmypast


No mother's maiden surname given on the GRO index so that looks to be the birth of the Charles above with mother Lizzie. Maybe she went on to marry someone called John.

Not seeing Charles in 1891 so he is maybe lurking under a stepfather's surname.

I wonder if John was a stepfather's name?


First name(s) Charles
Last name Bowen
Birth year -
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 07 Jan 1880
Denomination Anglican
Place Tugford
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Lizzie Bowen
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1813-1900
Archive reference P285/A/2/1
Page 43
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
© DC Thomson Family History

Hi RG,

thank you for you post!

I had not come across that entry in 1911 - in the 1901 it states his place of birth as Bucknell, Shropshire.

I will write the entry you found down and see if it relates anywhere along the line - it states nephew to Charles Williams - maybe I will come across Williams, it will be difficult though as I cannot seem to place Charles birth entry or parents etc. On the parish record for his marriage it says his dad's name is John Bowen. That doesnt really narrow it down much.
I've tried looking for a Charles and John Bowen in the 1881 as Charles would only have been 3-5 years old but going by the Bucknell, Shropshire birth place, I'm struggling .... or blind... :-D

Help is appreciated.

Perhaps he had gone looking for work.

Have you ruled this one out please?


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
110 St Anne St Chester, Chester, Cheshire, England

Charles Williams Head Married Male Labourer 39 1872 Flintshire Hammer
Elizabeth Williams Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Flintshire Hammer
Charles Bowen Nephew Married Male Labourer 33 1878 Flintshire Hammer
Fredrick Charles Mathews Boarder Married Male Traveler Dealer In Gramaphones 38 1873 America Resident
Agnes Mathews Boarder Married Female - 35 1876 Edinburgh Scotland
Robt Lindsey Mathews Boarder - Male - 4 1907 Leith Scotland
Hope Ernest Mathews Boarder - Male - 2 1909 Leith Scotland
Helen Hogg Price Boarder Widow Female Teacher Of Music 40 1871 Polton Lasswade
Helen Mary Price Boarder - Female - 8 1903 Berwick N B Mitchelstown Co Cork T

Still struggling to find Charles!

Where is he in the 1911??

Why is he not with his wife ?

I'm really puzzled :-S

thanks for that Gwyn, yes you are right ! My charles father is John.

So still searching for more facts to link up Charles' parents and then possibly find him and parents in census records.

Charles Bowen seems a very common name, I'm going to have to look up registration district names as I know Shropshire but are unsure of what ones are for that area.

Thanks for you continued help.

alviegal noted that Charles Christopher had a father named William.

This is probably William's marriage, so not the correct Charles.

Marriages Jun 1872

Bowen William Forden 11b 333 <<<<<<<<<<<
DAVIES Emma Forden 11b 333
Edwards James Forden 11b 333
Whittingham Mary Forden 11b 333<<<<<<<<<<<

So......

I'm still looking into Charles....

I disregarded Gwyn in Kent's suggestion of Charles Christopher birth registered in Clun, not realising where this place is....it is in shropshire....so i have been looking into the GRO index of MMN as Whitingam....

Looking for a Whitingam marriage to a Bowen to see if it matches up with any of the details I have already....

Cannot seem to find anything....

Stumped.... :-S

Also , just to confirn we have the right Charles in 1901 living next door to bertha, just in case there is a very big coincidence... the marriage witness for Bertha and Charles is Thomas Harmer - son of the household that Charles was boarding in, in 1901.

:-) :-) :-)

So he was born in Bucknell, Shropshire and his dad's name is John. I am hoping this info will help me to find charles in other census etc for his parents....

Thanks for any help