Find Ancestors

Phillip was Barbara's and Cuthbert's son born in 1940 and the infomation about her using husband and son's dates of birth came from a relative who has since died. It can't not be true as Barbara gave that DOB of 10th feb 1908 in 1939 register and used the name Hall in 1911. I have since had information that Barbara's mother was unmarried and aged 16/17 when Barbara was born. In 1919 she came to Sutton Coldfield from Ireland to visit her maternal Grandmother( don't know name) .

Judging by the 1901 census (if I've got the right one) John had plenty of unmarried sisters, any one of whom might have been Barbara's mother - IF she was indeed born in Ireland, and IF there really is any sort of link between Kathleen Tynan and Barbara.


Another inconsistency in the story is Barbara's DOB.
If she chose it herself, then perhaps she wasn't born in 1907-8.

If she chose her DOB, and her surname, then she may also have chosen her first name.
Really, we have no idea who she may have been.


Nicola -
you said she had taken Philip's day and month of birth as hers.
Who is Philip? Have I missed other mention of him?

??? Ages don't match 1901 - but address is Sheare's Street.;

Hannah Omahony
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Hannah Omahony
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: 24.1 Sheares Street (North Side)
District: Cork No. 7 Urban (part of)
County: Cork
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Omahony 36
Chrisitna Omahony 33
Nora Omahony 32
Catherine Omahony 28
Annie Lillis 27
Maggie Odriscoll 20

Re Dave Allen that Mary posted,

"David Tynan O'Mahony was born in Firhouse, Dublin, Ireland, the youngest of three sons.[6] His father was Gerard "Cully" Tynan O'Mahony, managing editor of The Irish Times whose mother's sister was the Irish writer Katharine Tynan,[7] and an English mother Jean Archer.[8] His father died when he was aged 12, and his mother subsequently moved the family to England when he was aged 14."

John O'Mahony
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: John O'Mahony
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Residence Place: Whitehall
Marriage Date: 29 Apr 1895
Marriage Place: Rathfarnham, Ireland, Ireland
Parish Variants: Crumlin, Rathfarnham and Crumlin
Diocese: Dublin
Father: John Francis O'Mahony
Mother: Mary Sheehan
Spouse: Nora Tynan


John O'Mahony
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: John O'Mahony
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Cookstown
District: Tallagh
County: Dublin
Household Members:
Name Age
John O'Mahony 31
Nora O'Mahony 31
Gerard John Cullen O'Mahony 1
Mary O'Farrell 26
Anne Walsh 27



John Francis Omahony
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: John Francis Omahony
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1870
Birth Place: No 6 City, City of Cork, Ireland
Baptism Place: No 6 City, City of Cork, Ireland
Father: John Francis Omahony
Mother: Mary Sheehan
FHL Film Number: 101204


A sister ??

Hannah Omahony
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Hannah Omahony
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1866
Birth Place: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Father: John Francis Omahony
Mother: Mary Sheehan
FHL Film Number: 101129


Hanna Omahony
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Hanna Omahony
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Daughter
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: 27 Sheare's Street
District: Cork Urban No. 7
County: Cork
Household Members:
Name Age
John F Omahony 64
Mary Omahony 60
Hanna Omahony 29
Ellen Omahony 27
Nora Omahony 25
Kate Omahony 22
Kate Corrigan 29

A bit of trivia,needs checking out as I saw it on ancestry tree.

John and Nora O'Mahoney had Gerrard John Cullen O'Mahoney1900-1948 had son
David Edward Tynan O'Mahoney 1936-2005 he was Dave Allen the Irish comedian.

Maryb.

Nicola what was Barbara's address, and the name of witnesses on the marriage certificate?

If they are certain there is a connection to Katherine Tynan, it might be worth exploring the family of John O'mahoney who married Katherine's sister Honora.

Perhaps he had sisters?

Also bear in mind inconsistencies in the story- if she changed her name when she came to England then it is unlikely that the Barbara Hall on the 1911 Irish census is the correct person.

Where did the name Murial Stewart as a possible Aunt come from?

You are all right again, thinking isn't fact My Veronica A Griffin was born in Surrey in the same year as the other Veronica A Griffin in Watford with mother's maiden name O'Mahoney ( what are the chances of that, when the family convinced O'mahoney was Barbara's name)
My downfall is making assumptions, but Veronica is 100% certain that her mother Barbara's name was O'Mahoney and Katherine Tynan Hinkson as a close relative/poss aunt so there must be a connection. I will be seeing the family of Barbara and Cuthbert tomorrow to get more info but they are certain that there is a connection with O'Mahoney and Tynan familes. Thanks everyone

Something worth noting- on the 1939 register, Barbara is listed with middle initial C.

On the 1936 electoral register, Cuthbert is registered at 9 Manson Mews, Kensington with a CLARA Griffin.

In 1937 he is registered at the same address with Barbara Griffin.

Is it possible that Clara/ Barbara are the same person?
---------------------------------

What was Barbara's address and name of witnesses on marriage?

Unfortunately, 'thinking' isn't fact - and it may be wishful

As there is no sign of any birth record to back up the idea, it may be that you have to accept her name as per the available records.

Are you sure the births of daughters are correct?

Those births were registered in Watford, but Cuthbert and Barbara were living in Surrey at that time. There are more likely births of children for the couple listed in Surrey.

I think the Griffin/ O'mahoney births are the daughters of Michael Griffin who married in Watford in 1942.
----------------------------------

I suspect the confusion is due to both couples having a daughter Veronica born in the same year.

I doubt there is any connection to the O'Mahoney surname and Barbara.
----------------------------------

So it all rests on which Veronica you are trying to trace the family for?

No father on Marriage cert for Barbara Hall but the birth of both daughter's gives O'Mahoney as mother's maiden name.
The family thinks that Katherine Tynan was Barbara O'Mahoney/Hall aunt surely she was the daughter of John O'Mahony and Nora Tynan? but John died in 1904 and in 1911 Nora had the children living with her, last born in 1903.

I have no hard evidence that her name was O'Mahoney but the family always knew that was her name before Hall. Anastasia O'Mahoney married Michael Griffin in Watford 1942 (Barbara & Cuthbert's daughter was born in Watford 1943) must be a connection but the family know nothing about these names. Will message Lauren as she has both Cuthbert and Barbara on her tree.

Someone named Lauren has Barbara on her GR tree. Is that someone you know about?

Rootgatherer asked you if Barbara had named a father on her marriage cert.

What is the answer, Please?

1911 records her name as Hall - she wasn't old enough to give the info herself, so that must have been the name the Forbes family were given for her

Where does the suggestion come from that her name was ever anything other than Hall?

Is there any solid reason for this line of thought?

Did she have 4 daughters

one born A/M/J 1943 in Surrey
V2a P892 mum nee Hall

Another with the same name J/F/M 1943 Watford Hertfordshire V3a P2087 mum nee O'Mahoney. this could be the couple Michael Griffin married April 1942 in Watford to Anastasia O'Mahoney


I haven't put first name as they maybe still alive,but they have same name and year of birth but born different place and different mums maiden name.
3 other girls have mums maiden name Hall.

The John Omahoney and Nora Tynan he died 1904.


Maryb.

From the 1911 census, I would guess that Sarah Love (whose birth I can't find either) and Barbara Hall were orphans "boarded out" with the family.

Not necessarily any blood connection.

If her birth record was indeed destroyed in the fire (although from various Google results it looks as if civil birth records weren't involved) , then there will be no record to find.

Possibly John Forbes birth -

Name JOHN FORBIS
Date of Birth 1864
Group Registration ID 8194692
SR District/Reg Area Strabane

Image shows b 13.2.1864 at Leck
Father Samuel a Sexton and Mother Anne nee Martin

That's me for tonight.

I think this is John and Rebecca in 1901 (original could well be Rebecca) and they are in Artigarvan, her residence at time of marriage. Son Robert named for her Father ?

Residents of a house 9 in Artigarvan (Ballymagorry, Tyrone)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Cox Oliver 88 Male Head of Family Prespitarian Church
Forbes John 36 Male Boarder Church of Ireland
Forbes Rebina 26 Female Wife Church of Ireland
Forbes Robert M 9 months Male Son Church of Ireland

Robert Forbes mmn Marshall b 3.6.1900 Strabane RD - image shows b Artigarvan