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Sylann
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21 Dec 2023 10:58 |
I have a John Hornby Married to Rose/Rosina Stone They had 2 children in 1911 John 1907 and Lilian 1908 Living in South Manchester Chorlton with Rose's Parent's since then they had Thomas 1912 andit looks like a Gladis from what I have found in the index for 1921
If I could have the Census please as their are 4 more possibly 2 are parents
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21 Dec 2023 11:45 |
This is the family in 1921, though (like you) I don't have a sub to FMP to see the full details:
Thomas Hornby 1912 Birthplace: Manchester, Lancashire, England Residence: South Manchester Chorlton Lancashire
He's with Rosina Hornby 1884 , John Hornby 1906, Lilian Hornby 1908, Charles Stone 1881, Margaret Stone 1880, and Gladys Stone 1901.
Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%) Hornby John Chorlton 8c 1518 Stone Rosina Chorlton 8c 1518
Their children :
HORNBY, JOHN mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 738
HORNBY, SELINA mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 764
HORNBY, LILIAN mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 420
HORNBY, THOMAS mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 1477
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 11:46 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 15, Orrell Street, Openshaw, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Hornby Head Male 1882 39 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Striker R Openshaw B & S Massey Bros Striker Rosina Hornby Wife Female 1884 37 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Household Duty - John Hornby Son Male 1906 14 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Seft School - Lilian Hornby Daughter Female 1908 12 Bradford, Lancashire, England - - Thomas Hornby Son Male 1912 9 Manchester, Lancashire, England - - Gladys Cragg Adopted daughter Female 1902 18 Manchester, Lancashire, England - Bar Hand Palatine Cafe Oxford Rd M/c William Stone Father Male 1850 71 Herefordshire, England
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 11:51 |
CRAGG, GLADYS (MMN) STONE GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 94
??birth parents??
CRAGG Thomas STONE Eliza 1902 Stockport Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Stockport STR/60/189
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ArgyllGran
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21 Dec 2023 11:58 |
The 1921 posted by ErikaH seems different from the details I posted. No William Stone or Gladys Cragg among the people I posted. Perhaps the transcription's wrong - as is often the case with the 1921 census
People from the 1921 transcription I found:
Charles, Margaret and Gladys in 1901:
[DELETED WRONG INFO . WRONG FAMILY]
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Sylann
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21 Dec 2023 12:05 |
Thank you for that I'll check it all and see which is right
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 12:05 |
The transcription I posted matches the original, which I have checked
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 12:08 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 29, Taylor Street, North Manchester, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
William Stone Head Married Male 54 1847 General labourer Alderbury, Herefordshire, England Elizabeth Stone Wife Married Female 57 1844 - Alderbury, Herefordshire, England Rose Stone Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Skirt machinist Manchester, Lancashire, England William Stone Son Single Male 14 1887 Errand boy Manchester, Lancashire, England Thomas Stone Son Single Male 12 1889 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%) Hornby John Chorlton 8c 1518 Stone Rosina Chorlton 8c 1518
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 12:18 |
This has been provided before...................
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1384561
1911 Census For England & Wales 2 Orr Street Openshaw Manchester, South Manchester, Lancashire, England William Stone Head Widower Male 64 1847 Labourer for bricklayer Studem Bedford Thomas Stone Son Single Male 23 1888 Machine slotter Bedfordshire Bedford William Stone Son Single Male 25 1886 Bricklayers labourer Bedfordshire Bedford John Hornby Son in law Married Male 30 1881 Blacksmiths stricker Gorton Manchester Rosina Hornby Daughter Married Female 27 1884 - Bedfordshire Bedford Lily Hornby Granddaughter - Female 2 1909 - Openshaw Manchester John Hornby Grandson - Male 4 1907 - Openshaw Manchester
Hornby married 7 years...5 children, of whom 3 have died
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ArgyllGran
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21 Dec 2023 12:21 |
I've probably confused two different families with similar names when searching on 1921 census without a sub!
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 12:23 |
Easily done.... ;-) ;-)
There are numerous threads about this family posted by this OP
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ErikaH
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21 Dec 2023 12:30 |
Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%) Hornby Selina 1 Chorlton 8c 498
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Sylann
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21 Dec 2023 12:53 |
Just to let you know Erika was right with the 1921 census 15 Orrel St That was the address in 1939 also Rosina had a sister Elizabeth/Eliza so Gladis could have been hers and in 1926 they had a daughter Doris who married a Nugent which is in the 1939 register son William 1914 died 1914
Thank you
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Sylann
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21 Dec 2023 13:00 |
Sorry about the posts my line is the Hornby Line and it is spread very wide so I lose track of what I have done but with it being the 1921 census I think it is different because it is new
So sorry but when I get some thing in my head I follow it up and don't look back on here to see what I've asked for
As I said a very big Hornby line and the children are named the same I've got 39 John Hornby's
So Sorry But Thank you, you always help
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ErikaH
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22 Dec 2023 11:23 |
I can find no trace of a birth for DORIS with parents Hornby/Stone in 1926
You may need to re-think ;-) ;-)
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ArgyllGran
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22 Dec 2023 13:37 |
Have you found Gladys in 1911? I can't see her, nor Eliza and Thomas Cragg.
Gladys seems to be in three trees on Ancestry, but none of them name her parents. DOB 5 Sept 1902; married Harry Rhodes in 1923. Died 8/4/1990; buried in Gorton Cemetery, Manchester
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ErikaH
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22 Dec 2023 14:17 |
1939 Register 49 Louisa Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England Harry Rhodes 07 Mar 1901 Male Turner Married 376 1 Gladys Rhodes 05 Sep 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 376 2 Harry Rhodes 30 Oct 1923 Male Apprentice Miller Engineer Single 376 3 Edwina Rhodes 08 Nov 1927 Female At School Single 376 4
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22 Dec 2023 15:28 |
The Craggs in 1921? 1921 Census Of England & Wales 4, Grayson Street, Clayton, North Manchester, Lancashire, England 1921 census badge View original record Household members (5 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Thomas W Cragg Head Male 1873 48 Stockport, Cheshire, England Carter George W Durdiken Farmer And Carrier Elizabeth Cragg Wife Female 1881 39 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Home Duties - Hilda Cragg Daughter Female 1907 13 Openshaw, Lancashire, England - - Rosina Cragg Daughter Female 1919 1 Clayton, England - - >>William Stone Boarder Male 1886 35 Openshaw, Lancashire, England General Labourer Electro Motors Ltd Motor And Dynams Makers
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No 4 Grayson Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number William T Cragg 29 Dec 1872 Male Old Age Pensioner Married 131 1 Elizabeth Cragg 26 Jun 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 131 2 Rosina Cragg 13 Jul 1919 Female Unemployed Single 131 3
Hilda with Eliza (mother) and Gladys b 1902 in 1908.
First name(s) Hilda Locality of record Manchester Withington Workhouse Last name Cragg Records title Creed Register Birth year 1907 Date range 1908 - 1909 Admission/Discharge year 1908-09 Film M 327 - 2 - 2 - 27 Admission year 1908 Record set Manchester Workhouse Registers 1800-1911 Admission day 15 Category Institutions & organisations Admission month Dec Subcategory Workhouses and Poor Law Previous residence Openshaw Collections from England, Great Britain
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ArgyllGran
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22 Dec 2023 15:32 |
Yes, that looks like them.
CRAGG, HILDA mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 500
CRAGG, ROSE mmn STONE GRO Reference: 1919 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 609
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ArgyllGran
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22 Dec 2023 15:42 |
Hilda in 1911 ??
Hilda Cragg in the 1911 England Census Name Hilda Cragg Age in 1911 3 Estimated Birth Year abt 1908 Relation to Head Boarder Gender Female Birth Place Clayton M/Cr, Lancashire, England Civil parish Droylsden County/Island Lancashire Country England Street Address 290 Market Street Droylsden M/C Registration District Number 468 Sub-registration district Audenshaw ED, institution, or vessel 07 Piece 24373 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William Jepson 28 Head Nellie Jepson 25 Wife Ethel Jepson 1 Daughter Samuel Whitehead 66 Hilda Cragg 3 Boarder
Clayton is in Ashton-under-Lyne RD
Still no sign of Gladys in 1911.
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