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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 09:51 |
I am trying to find out when this George Prophett was born. He died 1859 OND Q4 Pg 193 line 17 Nantwich, Cheshire
This isnt the correct death.as this one is age 4!
On Free BMD and on here it only gives his death and doesn't show his birth or his age. I want to know so I can prove this is the correct person I'm looking at.
Apart from ordering the death cert, can anyone else maybe look at a different site to confirm for me please?
Thankyou
Florence in the hebrides
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 10:18 |
Look at the GRO site yourself…it’s FREE - and gives age at death
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 10:20 |
Oh ty ErikaH, I didn't actually know that.
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 10:50 |
Ok so I have found the death actually on here, after ruling out several using the GRO and the spelling changes didnt help! But it comes up with Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials so how to do I find the GRO ref number so I can either download or order a death cert.?
d 1859 ( age 37) b 1822
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18 Apr 2024 11:10 |
It is on Freebmd.
Rather than putting the surname just put Pro*. It looks as though there are two spellings in Nantwich.
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 11:32 |
No they are not the correct ones as checked with GRO and the ages dont match.
When I search on here using Prophet note with 1 T not 2, it comes up with the details but its on the Cheshire Parish of registers and doesn't give the usual find with GRO ref numbers.
I tried BMD with various spellings and this death doesn't come up. If it shows on a Parish register then it must be reg with the GRO surely? I tried searching but without info except Dod and Dob it doesn't find anything.
It has to be somewhere!
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 11:34 |
Forgot to say, on Family Search.org, I also found the death and he is buried in Christ Church Macclesfield, Cheshire but it doesn't give any reference numbers. Date given as 3 Sep 1859
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 11:34 |
The 1859 Nantwich death which comes up on FreeBMD (both spellings) is the 4-year-old whom Florence says is the wrong person.
Florence -
is this the 37-year-old's death, on GRO? Not in Nantwich :
PROFIT, GEORGE 37 GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 72
and on FreeBMD:
Deaths Sep 1859 (>99%) Profit George Macclesfield 8a 72
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 11:42 |
Born approx 1822, there may be no record of his baptism.
This is the only Cheshire baptism of someone of that name that I can find - not in either Nantwich or Macclesfield - but of course, he may not even have been born in Cheshire;
George Prophet in the Cheshire, England, Select Bishop's Transcripts, 1576-1933 Name George Prophet Gender Male Baptism Date 31 Dec 1820 Baptism Place Haslington, Cheshire, England Father John Prophet Mother Anne FHL Film Number 1655829
Did he marry? Have you found him on 1851 census?
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 11:46 |
This is the only George Pro*t of about the right age I can find in Cheshire in 1851:
This is presumably the one whose baptism is posted above - but may not be the man you're looking for:
George Propheter in the 1851 England Census Name George Propheter [Prophett] [Prophet] Age 30 Estimated Birth Year abt 1821 Relation Head Spouse's Name Emma Propheter Gender Male Where born Haslington, Cheshire, England Civil parish Haslington County/Island Cheshire Country England Registration district Nantwich Sub-registration district Wybunbury ED, institution, or vessel 4a Neighbors Household schedule number 15 Piece 2169 Folio 183 Page number 5 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship George Propheter 30 Head Emma Propheter 29 Wife John Propheter 4 Son William Propheter 3 Son Alice Propheter 1 Mo Daughter John Salmon 17 Nephew John Kesheth 11
PROPHET, JOHN mmn WOOLRICH GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 159
PROPHET, WILLIAM mmn WOOLRICH GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 165
PROPHET, ALICE mmn WOOLRICH GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 198
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 11:47 |
WHO are you trying to trace? What do you know about him? What census records do you have for him?
Burials, by definition, are not civil records, and therefore do not have civil reference numbers
When searching for names which can easily be misinterpreted, use the 'phonetic search ' option
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 11:54 |
Thankyou ArgyllGran, I have found it and ordered the cert.
Even though I searched using other spellings, it didnt bring it up spelt as Profit!! Its a nighmare with all the variations.
He was married to Mary Ann Lamminan in 1841 but he died young. She remarried a few years later. The family of Prophets belong to my late grandmother. He wasnt showing on the 1851 census and shows his wife as the head???? So I needed to prove that he was still alive then as his last child was born in 1859.
I'm hoping the cert will give the address and name of the informant .
Once I get the cert, I shall come back and tell you what it revealed.
Ty for everyones help
Florence in the hebrides
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 11:56 |
Marriage of the man in the 1851 census above - THEREFORE HE IS NOT RIGHT MAN - if I'm understanding you last post correctly :
George Prophet in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name George Prophet Registration Year 1846 [1846] Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district Nantwich Inferred County Cheshire Volume 19 Page 135 Records on Page (Name) George Prophet Emma Woolrich
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 12:02 |
Mary Ann Lammaman 1819– BIRTH ABT 1819 • Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Marriage 15 Feb 1841 • St Mary's Sandbach, Cheshire, England GP, 24 bach, boatman of Betetton s of George P, lab and MAL, spinster, 20 of Betchton dau of John L, lab both signed Wits James Prophett and Sarah Foxleys both signed with an X
George Prophet (1816–)
Note his occupation, for cross-referencing with death cert
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 12:06 |
Name George Prophet Gender Male Baptism Date 28 Apr 1816 Baptism Place Sandbach, Cheshire, England Father George Prophet Mother Elizabeth Prophet FHL Film Number 973139 Reference ID item 7 p 9
FITS AGE AT MARRIAGE
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Florence61
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18 Apr 2024 12:08 |
No that is not the correct marriage. The spelling of his name changes from birth to death to census. They obviously spelt his name as it was pronounced!
My George married in 1841 to Mary Ann lamminan In your post at 11.34 that is the correct death, i'm 99% positive. I shall wait for the cert with interest.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 12:08 |
The marriage you mention for your George - for our reference:
Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%) Lammiman Mary Ann Gongleton 19 76 LAMMIMAN Mary Anne Gongleton 19 76 PROPHETT George Congleton 19 76
Birth of the 1859 child:
PROPHET, WILLIAM mmn LAMMERSMAN GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 141
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 12:09 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dobbs Yard, Orchard Street, St Nicholas, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Ann Prophet Head Married Female 27 1824 - Wotton, Lincolnshire, England Jane Prophet Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Cheshire, England Elizabeth Prophet Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Cheshire, England Harriett Prophet Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Cheshire, England John Prophet Son - Male 0 1851 - Cheshire, England Betty Prophet Mother Widow Female 74 1777 Wid Cheshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2024 12:11 |
Young William in 1861, again for our reference:
William Prophet in the 1861 England Census Name William Prophet Gender Male Age 2 Relation Stepson (Step Son) Estimated Birth Year 1859 Mother's Name Mary Ann Downie Where born Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Civil parish Heaton Norris Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch County/Island Lancashire Country England Registration district Stockport Sub-registration district Heaton Norris ED, institution, or vessel 12 Neighbors Household schedule number 249 Piece 2561 Folio 103 Page number 43 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Downie 33 Head Mary Ann Downie 34 Wife Jane Prophet 17 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter) Harriet Prophet 12 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter) John Prophet 10 Stepson (Step Son) Mary Ann Prophet 8 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter) Emma Prophet 6 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter) Fanney Prophet 4 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter) William Prophet 2 Stepson (Step Son)
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ErikaH
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18 Apr 2024 12:12 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Monument Place, Heaton Norris, Stockport, Cheshire & Lancashire, England John Downie Head Married Male 33 1828 Stone mason Lancaster, Lancashire, England Mary Ann Downie Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Barton, Lincolnshire, England Jane Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England Harriet Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England John Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Sandbach, Cheshire, England Mary Ann Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Scholar Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Emma Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Fanny Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England William Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 2 1859 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
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