Genealogy Chat

James St runs into Glasgow Green. It's just 200m NW of Muslin St.

Have you tried looking for him or agnes living with a son or daughter ?by 1881 both him and wife could have died?

dont enter too much details on a census search as year of births may vary by a few years.

Can anyone help with finding the uncles death?

I can't find him or his wife agnes after the 1871 census:

Name: Robert Smith
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Mains, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 James Street
Occupation: Cotton Warchouseployed
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1871_128
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Smith 65
Agnes Smith 53
Robert Smith 18
Margaret Smith 10
Isabella Cockburn 45
Charles Campbell 4

Thanks you for all your help!

mgnv - fantastic information about the 1855 childs birth certificate and the uncle's death certificate, will get right on to that. Janet and James did die in Yorkshire sadly so no really useful information from thier death certificates.

Kate

Reggie,

Appologies for any offence caused I mearly meant it was bugging me.

Kate

Katie,
I would guess that the 1841 census in Paisley, posted by Reggie will be the correct family.

James's father on this census was called David.
As per tradition, a 1st son was named for his father's father.
James's 1st son was called David.

Anne



Anne

Katie

Your language is far from ladylike.........and unnecessary.

Please delete the swear word

FreeCEN's 1851 differs from Reggie's posted 1851 - it adds a child (for Robt, I guess)

Piece: SCT1851/622 Place: Barony -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Bridgeton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 600 Page: 15 Schedule: 60
Address: 43 Muslin Street
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH James Head M M 26 Hand Loom Weaver (Cotton) Renfrewshire - Paisley
SMITH Janet Wife M F 23 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
SMITH Robt Uncle M M 45 Hand Loom Weaver Dunbartonshire - Craigton
SMITH Agness Aunt M F 23 Renfrewshire - Paisley
Page: 600/16 SMITH Helen Cousin U F 1 Renfrewshire - Paisley
ORR James Visitr W M 39 Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire - Lochwinnoch
CRAWFORD Robert Visitr U M 23 Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire - Beith



You can confirm the date and place of the marr from a child's 1855 b.cert - this was dropped off the b.cert 1856-1860.
I presume James and Janet died in England, so there's probably no way to confirm their parents.


Record set - 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
County - Lanarkshire
Year - 1861
Parish - SAINT JOHN
Street - SOHO STREET
Registration District - BRIDGETON
Enumeration District - 5

ROBERT SMITH 1805 56 MEARNS, RENFREWSHIRE M COTTON WEAVER
AGNES SMITH 1819 42 PAISLEY, RENFREWSHIRE M
HELLEN SMITH 1850 11 PAISLEY, RENFREWSHIRE COTTON FACTORY WORKER
ROBERT SMITH 1853 8 GLASGOW, LANARKSHIRE SCHOLAR
MARGREAT SMITH 1861 0 GLASGOW, LANARKSHIRE


This looks like Uncle Robt, so you can get James's grandparents from Robt's d.cert, assuming the informant knew the info.

Old Scottish BMDs and images of censuses & parish records cost just over a pound apiece. You'll need to buy credits at SP:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

1841..perhaps? Note occ......and the presence of Robert


Name: James Smith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Gender: Male
Where born: Renfrewshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Paisley Low
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Great Hamilton No 7 Smiths St
Occupation: Cotton H L W
Parish Number: 559
Household Members:
Name Age
David Smith 51
Robert Smith 36
William Smith 20
James Smith 16
Mary Smith 11
Archd Stephenson 30
Bridget Stephenson 39
Agness Stephenson 1 8 Mo

1851 for INFO


Name: James Smith
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Janet Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Paisley, Renfrew
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 45 Muslin Street
Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver Cotton
ED: 14A
Page: 15 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_147
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 26
Janet Smith 23
Robt Smith 45 Uncle, b. Craigton, Dumbarton
Agness Smith 23
James Orr 39
Robert Crawford 23

Is THIS him in 1911?


Name: Andrew Ritchie Smith
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 23 Parkhurst Road, Sutton, Surrey
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Army Officer Lecturer
Registration district: Epsom
Registration District Number: 31
Sub-registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 169
Piece: 2938
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Ritchie Smith 57
Louise Diana Smith 42
Victor Ritchie Smith 8

You refer to Andrew Ritchie Smith, and say his birth was 1826.......

Perhaps you could clarify

That really bugs me! hopefully I can get his father off his 2nd Marriage certificate that I've ordered.

How else could I trace Janet Ritchie and her family? or have I reached the end of the line?

Kate

The marriage is indexed on ScotlandsPeople in Pre-1855 Banns and Marriages.
If you buy some credits and view the entry you may or may not find some useful info.
I purchased the entry for my 2xgreat grandparents and all I got was their names (which I already knew!) - no ages, parents or occupations :-(

ScotlandsPeople's notes say you will find -
"At best:
date(s) of the proclamation of intended marriage and/or date of marriage, names of bride and groom and their parish of residence, sometimes the occupation of the groom and occasionally the name of the bride's father.
At worst:
the names of the bride and groom recorded along with the fee paid in caution. "

I don't think that is them in the census as James was a Worsted Weaver in the censuses I've worked back from.

Thier son Andrew Ritchie Smith is my partner's Great Grandfather.

Birth abt 1826
Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

24 Mar 1850

Age: 24 Marriage to Janet Ritchie
Barony, Lanarkshire, Scotland"Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTTP-D6T : accessed 01 Aug 2012), James Smith and Janet Ritchie, 24 Mar 1850; citing reference , FHL microfilm 0994218-0994220, 1041482, 0994217. .


1851
Age: 25 Residence
45 Muslin Street, Calton, Lanarkshire, ScotlandOccupation: Hand Loom Weaver Cotton Residing with Wife, Aunt, Uncle & Cousin
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7 Apr 1861

Age: 35 Residence
28 Malvern Place, Keighley Occupation: Worsted Pattern Weaver Residing with wife and children (David 1852 Scotland, Andrew Ritchie 1854 Renfrew, William 1955 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Catherine 1858 Bridgeton, Glasgow & James 1861 Yorkshire)



Jun 1869

Age: 43 Marriage to Jane Bottomley
Skipton9a 56
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1871
Age: 45 Residence
Main Street, Crosshills, Glusburn, Yorkshire, EnglandOccupation: Designer Residing with 2nd wife and children
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1881
Age: 55 Residence
21 Skipton Road, Steeton cum Eastburn, Yorkshire, EnglandOccupation: Designer Unemployed (Worsted) Residing with 2nd Wife & Children
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1891
Age: 65 Residence
8 Skipton Road, Steeton with Eastburn, Yorkshire, EnglandOccupation: Retired Designer Residing with 2nd Wife & Children
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Civil Registration came into force in Scotland in 1855................so no cert

How have you worked back to this couple?

Is one of their children your line?

I have found the marriage of Janet RITCHIE and James SMITH, 24th March 1850, Barony, Lanarkshire, Scotland on familysearch.org

Would there be a certificate I could order which would have details of the father's and occupations on to confirm this is the marriage I am looking for?

Where would I be able to get it from if there was?

Thanks,

Katie