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I cannot find my Edward Porter on the 1871 census.
On his marriage cert, (Dec 1873), address is 17 Hemsworth Street, Barking, Essex.
I have him on both the 1861 and 1881.
Can anyone out there look up an address for me n the 1881 census?
This is the address of both the bride and groom on Edwards marriage cert to Mary Ann Rison.
Wittnessed by Eliza Rison and what looks like Walter Fitch

Born when please.and his fathers name from the marriage cert

born Chelmsford?
Name: Mary Ann Rison
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1856
Registration district: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 121

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1871 England Census about Mary Ann Rison
Name: Mary Ann Rison
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 13
Folio: 77
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Katherine Smith 55
Lucy Brockback 33
Alice Newhall 35
Cecelia Cane 18
Emma Evans 21
Emily Duy 17
Matllday Day 16
Mary Ann Rison 15>>>scholar
Louisa Rison 11
Mary Fulger 16
Frances Crockback 15
Annie Nikel 16
Ellen Cornish 15
Ellen Fanhand 15
Clara Fanhand 15
Julia Weytens 45
Fanny Browne 19
Sarah Hetherington 15
Mary Johnson 15
Florence Nurse 10
Florence Dutton 10
Paulo De Wolkow 11
Celene De Wolkow 10
Helene De Wolkow 9
Martha Croucher 38
Martha Cunningham 22
Emma Davies 20
Mary Reid 16

3 Sutherland Gardens
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 13; Folio: 77; Page: 25; GSU roll: 838752.
Source Information:

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1871 England Census about Edward Porter
Name: Edward Porter
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Civil parish: Chelmsford
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Chelmsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 1662
Folio: 159
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
William Porter 63
Elizabeth Porter 70
Edward Porter 19 occ bricklayers lab
Oswald Porter 16
address George Street
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1662; Folio: 159; Page: 13; GSU roll: 829953.

1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 1713
Folio: 35
Page: 47
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: West Ham
Parish: West Ham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Hemsworth St, West Ham ***********
County: Essex


RISON, Henry Head Married M 49 1832 Labor
Chelmsford, Essex
RISON, Mary A Wife Married F 47 1834
Chelmsford, Essex
RISON, Eleanor Daughter Single F 13 1868 Servant
Chelmsford, Essex
RISON, Eliza A Daughter Single F 3 1878
West Ham, Essex
KAYSOR, Minnie Daughter Married F 20 1861
Chelmsford, Essex
KAYSOR, Elizabeth Grand Daughter Single F 3 1878
West Ham, Essex
KAYSOR, Minnie Grand Daughter Single F 0 1881
West Ham, Essex
LUCKING, Charles Son In Law Widower M 29 1852 Labor
Chelmsford, Essex

Hemsworth Street doesnt come up on an address serch

comes up for West Ham

1871 census transcription details for: Hemsworth Street, West Ham

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1632
Folio: 39
Page: 73
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: West Ham
Parish: West Ham
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hemsworth Street, West Ham
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
AGER, John Head M 47 1824 Kent
AGER, Lavinia Wife F 21 1850 Kent
AGER, Thomas Son M 20 1851 Kent
AGER, Emma Daughter F 18 1853 Kent
AGER, Albert Son M 12 1859 Kent
AGER, Cans* Daughter F 10 1861 Kent
AGER, Ellen Daughter F 21 1850 Kent
AGER, William Son M 3 1868 Essex

17 Hemsworth Street

Wow I have Agers from West Ham in my Tree Maybe family connection to me!!

People moved around a lot. Also it was often usual to put the same address for both parties to save putting banns in the other parties parish church too.

It was thought that to qualify for the 6 weeks residential requirement then all that was needed was a suitcase of clothes to be left at the house,usually the brides house, and this met the qualification. Wasn't true but may did it and the myth did go on for a long time

Mary Ann Rison in 1871 (mis-transcribed)


RG number: RG10
Piece: 1630
Folio: 146
Page: 30
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: West Ham
Parish: West Ham
Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Alice Street, West Ham
County: Essex


RIXON, Henry Head M 39 1832 Essex
RIXON, Mary Ann Wife F 37 1834 Essex
>>>>>RIXON, Mary Ann Daughter F 15 1856 Essex
RIXON, Eliza Emma Daughter F 12 1859 Essex
RIXON, Minnie Daughter F 10 1861 Essex
RIXON, Eleanor Daughter F 4 1867 Essex

John Ager had moved on by1881 and was widowerd
Name: John Ager
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 100 Roscoe St
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1713
Folio: 24
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ager 56
Alfred Ager 22
Keziah Ager 20

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1713; Folio: 24; Page: 26; GSU roll: 1341409.

Wow, that was fast. You are wonderful.
Hmm so they weren't at Hemsworth Street then.

Edward was born in Moulsham Chelmsford 12 june 1853. Father also Edward(or Edmund) b 1834, Writtle, Essex
I have looked at the census entry with an Edward living with grandparents. Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1662; Folio: 159; Page: 13; GSU roll: 829953,
On that there is a sibling called Oswald , which throws me off a bit

Edward and Oswald are together with their parents in 1861


1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 1079
Folio: 147
Page: 13
Reg. District: Chelmsford
Sub District: 2 Chelmsford
Parish: Chelmsford
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns Moulsham
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: George Street, Chelmsford
County: Essex


PORTER, Edward Head Married M 27 1834 Journeyman Blacksmith
Writtle, Essex
PORTER, Rachel Wife Married F 29 1832 Blacksmiths Wife
..., Essex
>>>>PORTER, Edward Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Chelmsford, Essex
>>>>PORTER, Oswald Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Chelmsford, Essex
PORTER, Emma Daughter F 1 1860
Chelmsford, Essex

An Aha moment.
I read Oswald as Donald.
Well that will teach me to believe what has been transcribed rather than trying to deciper it myself.
Lesson learned there.
I have updated the entry on ancestry
Thanks so much, you help is apprecated immensly <3

It gets curioser. On the 1881 census along with Oswald is a John Harvey, born in suffolk. My Harveys are from there and Edward and Mary Anns daughter Florence Married a Harvey.
I wonder......

Brilliant.
By realising that the sibling was Oswald rather than Donald, funny how sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees, I now have their grandaparents names.
Well done again the Genes communty and Choccy and Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it in particular <3 <3 <3 <3

And that give me the name of the Grandfathers second wife who I have been looking for for ages. The first wife Sophia died in 1845