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Is there a Scottish equivalent of FreeBMD? If not, can someone tell me where I can get information from? Bob

Civil registration in Scotland started in 1855.

The site you would need is
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx

It's pay to view, but you can down load the relevant certificates.

https://www.familysearch.org/ holds a number of church records, and the census are transcribed on Ancestry. The images can be viewed on Scotlandspeople for a fee.

Don't forget www.freereg.org.uk for older records.

Bob....You could try posting who where and when on the board and see what members can do to help....

Good idea. I am looking for a mariage of Frederick James Cain to Helen. She may have had two previous husbands, as Frederick is shown in the 1930 USA census as having stepsons with surnames King and Renny. The marriage would have been prior to 1923, the year he emigrated, and after 1911, when he was still with his first wife, (or partner, I can't find a marriage there either). The marriage to Helen was probably in the Edinborough area. Good hunting. Bob

Bob..A quick search through the Ellis Island data base shows Fred.arrived in NY 3 Sept.1923...He was going to his Sister in Law Miss Mary King..East Ave NY.
NOK given as wife Mrs H.Cain....55 Gallowgate ABerdeen
His last place of res.given as Slough Bucks...
I would be looking at Aberdeen for a marriage given Helen was living there....
His address for Bucks could be where he was working at the time (He travelled out of S.Hampton.

For reference.


1930 United States Federal Census about Frederick J Cain
Name: Frederick J Cain
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Helen Cain
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick J Cain 58
Helen Cain 43
Herbert King 21 Birthplace: Scotland, Immigration Year: 1927
Relation to Head of House: Stepson
Charles Renny 18 Immigration Year: 1928
Relation to Head of House: Stepson
Douglas Renny 14 Immigration Year: 1927
Relation to Head of House: Stepson
Mary A King 62 Birthplace: Scotland, Immigration Year: 1929
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Alexander King 24 Immigration Year: 1929 b Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Brother-in-law

Element of deduction.......Frederick J Cain married 1917 to Helen King/Rennie ,,,,,,,, Scotland




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Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Helen CAIN
Date of departure: 23 June 1926
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1888 (calculated from age)
Age: 38
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: H Wife
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 8


Address 55 Gallowgate, aberdeen. Travelling with 17 year old Herbert Jack King, a baker and 8 year old Douglas Rennie.

Mother of Helen, Mrs Mary Ann King, 48 Upper Denburn, Aberdeen. Grandmother to both boys.

Data Image Extract
1 1910 RENNIE CHARLES KING HELEN ANN ST MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0301

from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk


1 1917 CAIN FREDERICK JAMES RENNIE HELEN ANN ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 0674

1901 census transcription details for: 9, Roslin Street, Aberdeen
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 168
Folio: 20
Page: 4
Reg. District: St Nicholas
Sub District:
Parish: Aberdeen
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Roslin Street, Aberdeen
County: Aberdeenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
KING, Andrew Head Married M 43 1858 Painter House
Aberdeen
KING, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1868
Foveran, Aberdeen
KING, Helen Daughter F 14 1887 Dressmaker
Aberdeen
KING, Mary B Daughter F 7 1894 Scholar
Aberdeen
KING, Florence Daughter F 2 1899 Scholar
Aberdeen

Bob...I would suggest that Charles Rennie/Renny husband to Helen was probably a casualty of WW1 there are no Charles Renny listed on CWGC site but a Number of Rennies...there are 3 possibilities but unfortunately dont give any "addition info." they are those in the Scottish Reg.the others are doubtful due to age Reg.and additional info.given.
The King's have me a bit bamboozled....if Helen was a King by birth and everthing so far points to that then unless she married a King/had children prior to her marriage to CR/I would suggest its a transcription error on the Census.and they are her brothers..

Herbert Jack King born on 9 Feb. 1909 was the illegitmate son of Helen Ann King, Dressmaker.

Have had a look at 1940 cencus for NY .there is a Fred and Helen Cain (ages other details correspond) but have a son John aged 30yrs. Born NY living with them...now I am confused as that implies child was b abt1910 !,,
As I am on an iPad I cannot bring details over onto this thread..

Thanks very much for your help everybody. I think this is as far as I can go with this one. Bob

As far as you can go on this one? £7.00 will buy you 30 credits for Scotlandspeople which with a bit of care will let you view 5 registrations which can be any combination of birth, marriage, death or census.