Genealogy Chat

If the Ladies Maid bit is true, it must have been with the Wheatley family

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkswell_Hall

"sold to Joshua Hirst Wheatley in 1888. Wheatley and his son served as High Sheriff of Warwickshire in 1896 and 1934." Estate sold in 1984

1891 England Census
Joshua Hirst Wheatley
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Edith Adele Wheatley
Gender: Male
Where born: Mirfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Berkeswell
Ecclesiastical parish: Berkeswell
Town: Fillongley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Name Age
Joshua Hirst Wheatley 37
Edith Adele Wheatley 36
Ida Mary Wheatley 5
Alice Gwendoline Wheatley 4
Charles Josha H Wheatley 2
Olive Barbara Wheatley 1
Marian Alice Armitage 8
Francis AR Wm Armitage 7
Pamela Taylor 41
Betsy Jackson 40
Mary Harper 20
Jane Trotter 32
Martha Stockton 18
Ellen Pegg 15
Mary Ann Raynolds 18
Jane Mattlin 36
Emma Mitchell 19
Gertrude Dickens 17
Arthur Wincott 20

1901

Edith A Wheatley
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joshua H Wheatley
Gender: Female
Where born: Sowerby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Berkswell
Ecclesiastical parish: Berkswell
Town: Berkswell
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Name Age
Joshua H Wheatley 47
Edith A Wheatley 46
Alice G Wheatley 14
Olive B Wheatley 11
Gertrude M Proudfoot 28
Ellen M Jackson 30
Adelaide C German 36
Minnie B Bates 32
Louise Condol 30
Jannie Hornsley 21
Lucy Fowler 21
Florence Townsoe 19
Ellen D Bowie 16
Elizabeth Pach 19
John Scott 21


1911
Edith Adile Wheatley
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Triangle, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Berkswell
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Berkswell Hall Coventry
Marital Status: Married
Johua Hirsh Wheatley 57
Edith Adile Wheatley 56
Ida Mary Wheatley 25
Alice Gwendoline Wheatley 24
Olive Barbara Wheatley 21
Ellen Matilda Jackson 40
Annie Jane Terretta 21
Clara Taylor 20
Jessie Wade 29
Harriet Katie Green 28
Margaret Ellen Williams 21
Margaret Harper 37
Ethel Day 23
Alic Prise 18
John White 22
Albert Ernest Watts 16

If any of the Wheatley daughter are missing from census either in the household, or else where if married, that might be the employer

Yes, you are right Kath. I have their marriage certificate and also their wedding photo (see my tree Ludlam on Ancestry). My Mum, the eldest (lLilian Beatrice Mary) was a honeymoon baby, her sister Dorothy one year exactly later and then a brother (Ernest) and the youngest two were twins although one died at 6 weeks old but Dennis survived to very old age. All females in that family line have Mary as one of their names - Nan was Lettice Lilian Mary Beadle. Nan's mother was Elizabeth Mary Evans. When I was little I called Nan, Lettuce and Mum Beetroot! You won't find Nan in the 1911 census as apparently her Lady was a follower of "Votes for Women", and they didn't register as a protest! :-)

I actually think that Lilian was one of her middle names and that is where Lily comes from. This looks like her birth:-

Name: BEADLE, Lettuce Lilian M
Registration district: Croydon
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 203

and her marriage:-

MarriageFinder: Lettice L M Beadle married Ernest J Harvey
Name: BEADLE, Lettice L M
Registration district: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Harvey
Volume no: 6D
Page no: 979

Name: HARVEY, Ernest J
Registration district: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Beadle
Volume no: 6D
Page no: 979

Kath. x

Thank you all for the suggestions - by the way Kath, her name was actually Lettice shortened to Lily but not "translated" across correctly - although Ancestry has noted it. The family had come up from London and we think were trying to get across to North Wales where Bessie's home was. My grandmother went on to become a lady's companion to someone living at nearby Berkswell Hall (she told me this when I was little) but don't know who. She subsequently married in 1914 and lived in Coventry but her eldest brother went back to Croydon (the other brother married a woodcutter's daughter and went to live in Hampton in Arden).
Sue :-|

My gran was apparently fostered by her half brother & his wife after her mother died in 1907.
Luckily she was on the 1911 census in a Childrens´Home in Leeds & I was able to get her records from them. Otherwise I wouldn´t have had a clue what happened to her.

Is this the children with their parents in the 1891 census? :-

1891 census transcription details for: 15, Burghley Dwellings, Red Cross Street, St Saviour Southwark

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 342
Folio: 100
Page: 43
Reg. District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub District: Christchurch Southwark
Parish: St Saviour Southwark
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 15, Burghley Dwellings, Red Cross Street, St Saviour Southwark
County: London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BEADLE, John Head Married M 25 1866 General Labourer
Croydon, Surrey
BEADLE, Bessie Wife Married F 29 1862
?, Wales
BEADLE, Lelly L M Daughter F 3 1888
Croydon, Surrey
BEADLE, Ernest A Son M 2 1889
Croydon, Surrey
BEADLE, John Son M 0 (8M) 1891
Southwark, London

Unfortunately I don't think you are ever going to find out exactly when they were fostered unless the information has been passed down in the family by someone.

Kath. x

As wisechild has already said, I doubt that you will find any paperwork. Were the people who fostered the children known to the family? It is likely that they were just family friends or neighbours or just a couple who took in children for payment. Were the children described as "nurse child" on the census?

EDIT - I have looked at the census and see they are described as foster daughter and foster sons.

Kath. x

There´s unlikely to be any paperwork. Adoption wasn´t legalised until the mid 1920s & would assume fostering would be about the same.
Would suggest you look at the Poor Law records.
Alternatively the incident could have been reported in a local newspaper.

Does anyone know how to trace the paperwork for a family of one girl and 2 brothers (Beadle) taken in and fostered (they are in the 1901 census in Berkswell) when their parents didn't come back from a job hunting trip. I need to find out when this occurred - believed in the family to be about 1895.
:-)
Thanks
Sue