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Hi
I have been looking into my grandfather (Benjamin Adams) who I know was christened on 8th September 1891 in St Silas Church, Liverpool. He disappears and then I found him on the 1901 and 1911 census living with his aunt and uncle, I then found his father in the 1901 census as a widower living in Liverpool, it seems that the children must have been divided among the family and his wife Ellen must have died (maybe in childbirth) having my grandfather.

I wondered if any one has any information on an Ellen Adams who had four children, Benjamin, Mabel, William Frederick and John who were all christened at St Silas between 1888 and 1891.

Thank you

Hi Judith.
Where was the family in 1891? I suggest you look on Freebmd for deaths for Ellen 1891-1901 in that area, if you haven't already.
Have you looked to see if anyone else on here is researching this family? Use search box above right to check trees.
Jan

1901
JONES, William Head Married M 59 1842 Cabinet Maker
Bridgenorth, Shropshire VIEW
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1847
Erbistick, Denbighshire VIEW
ADAMS, Benjamin Nephew Single M 9 1892
Liverpool, Lancashire VIEW

Piece: 4581

Folio: 197

Page: 36

Registration District: Middlesbrough

Civil Parish: Middlesbrough

Municipal Borough:

Address: 21, Temple Street, Middlesbrough

County: Yorkshire (North riding)

still with them 1911
Name: Adam Benjaman
[Benjamin Adams]
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 86 Jubilee Drive
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Shop Assistant
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 22580
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 67
Elizabeth Jones 64
Adam Benjaman 19
Frank Barnett 35
Matthew Latham 67
Thomas Worts Coney

Have you got the birth certificate for Benjamin which will have Ellen's maiden name - or was it Adams?

Hi, Thanks for your help, I had found the two census records this is what made me believe that my Great Grandmother must have died during 1891. I will look in the BMDs to see if I can find any record.

How I wished I'd asked my parents and my Grandmother more about my family. I know that Benjamin Adams went on to become a ships dispenser (I notice that his father Thomas Adams was a chemist) working on cruise liners and was torpedoed twice during the second world war, and gave his place up in the life raft, he died in 1947.

For Ref

Name: Benjamin Charles Adams
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1891
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1891
Parish: Liverpool St Silas, Pembroke Place
Father's Name: Thomas Adams occ Builder
Mother's name: Ellen Adams
Address: 122 Gloucester Place

Is this William Frederick?

Name: William Frederick Adams
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1882
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1888
Parish: Liverpool St Silas, Pembroke Place
Father's Name: Thomas Adams occ Joiner
Mother's name: Ellen Adams

and John?

Name: John Adams
Birth Date: 29 Feb 1881
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1888
Parish: Liverpool St Silas, Pembroke Place
Father's Name: Thomas Adams occ Joiner
Mother's name: Ellen Adams

Both were baptized on the same date.

Address for both 284 Kensington

If so, note their Birth Dates!

Has anyone got them 1891?
Jan

If the above are the right children then their are also the following children too

Name: Eleanor Adams
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1884
Parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
Father's Name: Thomas Adams occ Builder
Mother's name: Ellen Adams
Address: 284 Kensington
Private baptism


Name: Henry Adams
Birth Date: 11 Sep 1886
Baptism Date: 26 Oct 1886
Parish: Liverpool St Silas, Pembroke Place
Father's Name: Thomas Adams occ Builder
Mother's name: Ellen Adams
Address: 122 Gloucester Place

?


1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Adams (joiner)
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eleanor Adams
Gender: Male
Where born: Brisley, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page

Thomas Adams 51
Eleanor Adams 41
John Adams 9
William Adams 7
Mable Adams 1

Just looking at that census too, Brummiejan...the address is 122 Gloucester Place so must be the family.

Although, Judith said that Benjamin's father was a Chemist and on all the baptisms and census Thomas (father) is listed as a Joiner or Builder

I wonder where the chemist idea is from?

Think we might need Judith to come back .......

Not sure what to think. The Eleanor in the 1891 above is born Wrexham Denbighshire. However:

1901 England Census
Name: Mabel Adams
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ellen Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanley St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern

Ellen Adams 49 Where born: Dverton, Shropshire, England widow boarding house keeper
John Adams 19
Mabel Adams 11
Alfred I Hughes 40
Allen Francis 40
Eliza McGranahan 82
Henry McGranahan 46

1911 England Census
Name: Mabel Adams
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Jubilee Drive Lierpool Lancs
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western

Ellen Adams 62 Birth Place: Overton,
Mabel Adams 21
Archick Dawson 25
Frederick Roberts 24
Bernard Vincent McArdle 37

You might be on to something......

Unfortunately, have to go now.....drat!

Think I was barking up the wrong tree the Thomas Adams (a chemist) I was looking at in the 1891 census lived at 26 Jubilee Drive and I noticed Mabel Adams lived at that address in 1911 but there are no other Adams's at that address in 1891.

Is Ellen a derivation of Eleanor that is confusing me as well. Also the reference to her being born in Wrexham, I noticed on the 1901 census that my grandfather Benjamin Adams was living with his Aunt and Uncle and the Aunt was from Denbighshire. I just wonder how come my Grandfather is living apart from his siblings and his brother William Frederick doesn't appear on the census either.

I wonder if you would be better off getting his birth cert? That way you will have Ellen's maiden name. The family are pretty confusing and it might just give you the lead you need.

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Adams Benjamin W Derby 8b 539

Ellen isn't a known diminutive for Eleanor as far as I know, but with the 'flexibility' with names back then would be an acceptable variation/error I think.

Jan