Genealogy Chat

Grandchildren & Easter not had chance to look at the boards. Thanks so much eveybody for all your comments. I like the idea of old maps I never thought about them. Shame there is no photo of the the old manor house where the Odean is today nor the original Tufnell family :-D :-D

Sue - Since you have highish #s, I'm assuming this is the N end near Tufnell Pk tube.

Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and do a search for Brecknock Road, then select the N-19 end. You'll get taken to an URL that begins with:
www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=529272&y=185686 etc

This URL embeds to location of the arrowhead by its OS coordinates: 529272,185686
Actually, since the road isn't true N-S, I changed these to 100 metres to E, and 16 m to S, namely: 529372,185670

Now go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html and enter the amended coordinates, then select various old maps.

The oldest map is 1850-1 - it's just a road map, and shows no houses (but it's clear they exist on the S edge from the way the roads are laid out) - It does show Brecknock Rd was called Maiden Lane back then.

The 1871-2 map shows houses on both sides of Brecknock up to Anson, with 5 houses beyond Anson, but short of Corinne (which doesn't yet exist) on the NE side. 1873 map is same (it might not be a seperate survey).

1895 map - houses everywhere.

Going back to my comment about my local High Street.

Back in the early 1800's part of this street was not called High St.

I did a lot of research for a shop that had been established in 1893. In 1901 it was at no. 51 and in 1911 at no 36.

Would not have known about the name change or renumbering if I had not taken the time to visit my local library. Or that a couple of properties were demolished at the end due to a road widening scheme.

In 1888 the General Post Office and London County Council conducted a renaming and renumbering scheme to eliminate duplicate road names throughout the LCC and to renumber houses consistently with the lowest number being closest to the local post office. This means that a house located in 1851 need not be the same house today, or even in subsequent censuses.

and 210

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Frederick Schulthess
Name: Frederick Schulthess
Year: 1891
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Islington North
Street Address: 210 Brecknock road

Entry for this in 1885

Andy

There are dozensof entries in the Electoral Roles. eg

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Peter Poulton
Name: Peter Poulton
Year: 1891
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Islington North
Street Address: 212 Brecknock road



At a quick look this is the earliest I can see, but should be possoble to find most years up to 1965.

Andy

NanaSue ................


the fact that the houses have not themselves changed very much since they were built, has nothing to do with the fact that the houses may have been re-numbered

............. or even that the street itself might have been re-named.


That is what we are all trying to tell you.

Choccy thank you so much - very interesting.

Also all the comments - I understand what you mean about renumbering it is just that most of the houses locally haven't changed since they were built. - few bombs during the wars but replacements have the same numbers or some council estates were built on the bombed out areas and have names only but the house each side continue with the original numbers.

Best wishes
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The age of the properties in no way precludes their being re-numbered......in fact ,the older they are, the more likely they are to have been re-numbered

I believe the renumbering of streets was something to do with the nearest post office,

Not finding 210 and 212 before 1891 - off to my bed now, but will have another look in the morning if no-one else is able to help.

Am inclined to agree with GB that houses may have been re-numbered.

Lots of streets, in towns and cities all over the UK were re-numbered at different times ................ even up to modern days


and, often, seemingly for no other reason than the council could re-number them!!


It didn't, and still doesn't, seem to have much to do with re-development, or new houses being built



so it might well be worth while to check out whether re-numbering had occurred at any time from, say 1800, forward.

1891

RG number RG12
Piece: 144
Folio: 14
Page: 23
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Upper Holloway
Parish: Islington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Georges
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 210, Brecknock Road, Islington, London
County: London


LEVINGTON, Alexander D Head Married M 25 1866 Carpenter
Aberdeen, Scotland
LEVINGTON, Maggie Wife Married F 22 1869
Aberdeen, Scotland
LEVINGTON, Minnie T Daughter F 0 1891
Islington, London
LEVINGTON, Wilhelmina Mother Widow F 46 1845
Aberdeen, Scotland
MURRAY, Tom Boarder Single M 27 1864 Compositor
Aberdeen, Scotland
ANDREWS, Robert Boarder Single M 25 1866 Compositor
Aberdeen, Scotland



RG number RG12
Piece: 144
Folio: 14
Page: 23
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Upper Holloway
Parish: Islington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Georges
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 212, Brecknock Road, Islington, London
County: London


POULTER, Peter Head Single M 40 1851 Commercial Traveller
Sevenoaks, Kent
POULTER, Eliza Mother Widow F 74 1817 Living On Own Means
Horton Kirby, Kent
POULTER, Amelia Sister Single F 31 1860 Living On Own Means
Sevenoaks, Kent

1901

RG number RG13
Piece: 161
Folio: 154
Page: 20
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Upper Holloway
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District: St George's
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 210, Brecknock Road, Islington
County: London


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FISHER, Jessie Head Widow F 47 1854 Living On Own Means
St Pancras, London
FISHER, Frank J E Son Single M 22 1879 Clerk (Type Foundry)
Soho, London
FISHER, Ethel M Daughter Single F 20 1881 Dressmaker's Assistant
Soho, London
FISHER, Nora F Daughter Single F 19 1882 Dressmaker's Assistant
Soho, London
FISHER, Kate E Daughter Single F 17 1884
Soho, London
FISHER, John T Son M 10 1891
Soho, London



RG number RG13
Piece: 161
Folio: 154
Page: 20
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Upper Holloway
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District: St George's
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 212, Brecknock Road, Islington
County: London



MADLEY, Arthur Head Married M 37 1864 Letter Press Printer
St Pancras, London
MADLEY, Francis Wife Married F 32 1869
St Pancras, London
MADLEY, Arthur R Son M 9 1892
St Pancras, London
MADLEY, May Daughter F 5 1896
St Pancras, London
MADLEY, Ivy Daughter F 2 1899
Islington, London
MADLEY, Percy Son M 0 1901
Islington, London
LAWRENCE, Henry A Head Married M 31 1870 Locksmith
St Pancras, London
LAWRENCE, Emma Wife Married F 27 1874
Uckfield, Sussex
LAWRENCE, Alice Daughter F 5 1896
Islington, London
LAWRENCE, Winifred Daughter F 2 1899
Islington, London

1911

National Archive Reference: RG14PN792 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED17 SN65
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Tufnell
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 17
Address: 210 Brecknock Road Tufnell Park N
County: London

FARROW, Thomas Head Married M 79 1832 Keelby Lincolnshire
FARROW, Amelia Wife Married
50 years F 79 1832 St Anns London
FARROW, Harry Garwood Son Married M 47 1864 St Pancras London
SMITH, Lilian Jessie Granddaughter Single F 20 1891 St Pancras London



National Archive Reference: RG14PN792 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED17 SN66
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Tufnell
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 17
Address: 212 Brecknock Road Tufnell Park N
County: London


COX, Frederick Jolne Head Married M 50 1861 Consulting Engineer London Middlesex Parish Not Known
COX, Catherine Wife Married
24 years F 46 1865 Helston Cornwall
HARPER, Alice Maud Maid Single F 23 1888 London St Pancras

My local High Street was numbered 1 - 53 down one side and back from 54 on the other side on 1901 census. The street got renumbered in 1902 or might have been 1903, to read 1,3,5 down one side and 2,4,6 down the other side, so the number do not match with the 1911 census. That is why I wondered if any research had been done

You can search the 1881 census for free on FMP and Ancestry

We are just starting on the area. The numbering will not of changed much because they are old Georgian/Victorian houses near the tube station.

Have you done any research to find out if the roads have been renumbered or renamed in the past 100 years.

We have just secured funding for a local ward community historical project.I don't have membership of FMP so if anybody has a little time could they do a census.
address search from 1911 backwards as far as they can go.to see who lived at 2 properties
212 Brecknock Road, Islington London and 210 Brecknock Road Islington London

210 is still in the orginal state it was built as a single family dwelling but 212 was made into 3 flats at some stage about 30 years ago.

Please note that Brecknock Road is very long and has always partly been in Pancras/Camden so any search should include Islington or Tufnell Park.

I have an idea to include a little family research in the project to see if I can find some interesting facts about any of the occupants.

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