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Hi everyone!

I am having a bit of trouble (well a lot of trouble in fact!) trying to track this Hicks family down. So I thought I would put it out for fresh eyes to see! In short I am looking for any information regarding George Hicks born around 1845 and his father Ferdinando! A bit vague I know but I am just need some advice!

George Hicks
Married Isabel Susan Cross Hammond 25 Dec 1864 at St John of Jerusalem in South Hackney London.

On the marriage certificate George is a bachelor and of full age, his occupation is a carpenter and his fathers name is Ferdinando Hicks a builder. George is living at South Hackney at this time.

George had two children with Isabel; Isabella born 1868 and Frederick born 1869.

Now here is the puzzle! George died some time between 1864 and his 1869ish, as his wife has remarried by 1871 to James Drumm.

I have been unable to find George anywhere! On a previous census with his family or alone as a builder! 1845 as his birth year is just a rough guess as his wife Isabel was born 1847. I thought Ferdinando was a bit of a strange name, but alas I cannot find a link to him and George.

I would just like some advice really or any fresh evidence, whether it be one of his childrens baptisms, his death, a birth/ baptism!

Thank you
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Steph

George had a brother Samuel - might help to find him

this marriage certificate is signed by Ferdinando Hicks as a witness


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Samuel Hicks
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Champion
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1867
Parish: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Ferdinando Hicks
Spouse Father Name: Charles Champion
Register Type: Parish Register

Ahhhh this is very useful, I hope they are related!!

You think that Ferdinando would be a very unusual name, it appears there were quite a few knocking around!

Thank you!

Looking at the marriage for Samuel then one of the witness was the father Ferdinando

1851

RG number: HO107
Piece: 1540
Folio: 488
Page: 20
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: The Green
Parish: Bethnal Green
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Johns
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 6, Gretton Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

HICKS, Fordimmdo Head Married M 35 1816 Carpenter
Cornwell, Lanarkshire
HICKS, Ann Wife F 29 1822
Cornwell, Lanarkshire
>>>>>HICKS, George Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Cornwell, Lanarkshire
>>>>>HICKS, Samuel Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Cornwell, Lanarkshire
HICKS, Maria Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
HICKS, Ann Daughter F 1 1850
St Georges, Middlesex
PROVOST, Mary Visitor Married F 25 1826
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
BROWN, George Visitor M 2 1849
Bethnal Green, Middlesex




EDIT: ORIGINAL LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE BORN IN CORNWALL !

Oh Wow!! Thank you so much Choccy!!

Its amazing how one person can find something, whilst another is looking round in the dark for sooo long! haha

Yes I thought it was a bit strange the fathers being witnesses!

Wow this is such a breakthrough thank you! Hopefully I will find the census on ancestry

Steph

1861 gives better idea of POB:

1861 England Census
about George Hick
Name: George Hick
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ferdinando Hick
Mother's Name: Ann Hick
Gender: Male
Where born: Landrake, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 304
Folio: 106
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Ferdinando Hick 45
Ann Hick 39
George Hick 19
Samuel Hick 17
Maria Hick 15
Burk Hick 11

here's the 1861 census (Ancestry) to help you find it


1861 England Census

Name: Ferdinando Hick
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hick
Gender: Male
Where born: Landrake, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 304
Folio: 106
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Ferdinando Hick 45
Ann Hick 39
George Hick 19
Samuel Hick 17
Maria Hick 15
Burk Hick 11

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 304; Folio: 106; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542610.

Thank you so much! I am so excited by this! I just hope that I can find his death now, and piece all of the story together!

Thank you very much!!

According to this Isabel didn't marry James Drumm until 1879:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Isabel Susan Cross Hicks Name: Isabel Susan Cross Hicks
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Age: 29
Spouse Name: James Joseph Drumm
Spouse Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 May 1879
Parish: Christ Church, Watney Street
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Mark Hammond
Spouse Father Name: Patrick J Drumm
Register Type: Parish Register

Edit: Oops, did she also marry him in 1871?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Isabel Susan Cross Hicks Name: Isabel Susan Cross Hicks
Spouse Name: James Joseph Drumm
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Nov 1871
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Mark Hammond
Spouse Father Name: Patrick Drumm
Register Type: Parish Register

Edit again: Could it be that the 1871 marriage wasn't legal because her first husband was still alive?

Do you want info on Isabel and her children or only on George?

Isabel's death

Isabel S C Drumm
Birth Date: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 269

Her PROBATE
Isabel Susan Crosss Drumm of 10 Camden Gardens Shepherds BUsh, widow, died 29/03/1917 at 2 Squirries Street, Bethnal Green Road Middlesex. Probate granted London 24th May to Anne Elizabeth Deane, widow, Effects 681.12.08

A tree on Ancestry says that George died 1875, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex. No documentation though.

oooo do you think thats what it could be?

That would be very interesting indeed! I will check to see what her status is in 1871! =)

They are a very mysterious bunch of people!

Ahh I see, I think whilst looking for his death there were a few possibles but my geography of London is not the best.

It states that Isabel was a widow in 1871 =).

I have been able to track down Isabel and one of her children (marriage, kids etc) they spent alot of their time between London and Brazil were James was working.

I cant seem to find out what happened to George and Isabels son Frederick, he is a puzzle!

Thank you
Steph

If George did die in 1875 then this is the burial record

Name: George Hicks
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1875
Burial Date: 1 Oct 1875
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register


Edit: It says on the record "Buried from the Dead House"

Unfortunately there is no age entered in the AGE column on the original document.

On both the marriages that Margee found Isabel is said to be a widow.

Hello Pam!

Thank you for that record, it is very interesting. I suppose I could always send off for the death certificate and find out for definate. Buried from the dead house? I do wonder what that could mean!!

Thank you again everyone =]

Steph