Genealogy Chat

An entry for Johanna Selby states she was born in Marylebone, London. Nationality "British Subject By Parents" what does this mean?

You can do a google search for precise definitions of this.
But the parents may just have filled in the census as they thought best, as so it can have no significant meaning.
However. 'Johanna' is not a particularly british spelling.

Added:
If you look at the image you will see that the column only needs to be filled in if born abroad. So it was probably incorrectly filled in as it did not require an entry.

A mess written census but loads of valuable info.
Charles Selby married Johanna Hanlon Dec 1884 Chelsea, 1a, 588

I notice her son Charles James has completed the census return for her and seems to have got a bit confuddled, however it was very helpful of him to list the whole family and then cross out the ones who weren't living there.

I think this is the detail for the marriage NS refers to:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Johanna Hanlon, spinster
Spouse Name: Charles Silby, widower - a lather
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Nov 1884
Parish: Kensal Green St Jude
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: James Hanlon (deceased) - labourer
Spouse Father Name: Charles Silby (deceased) - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Both were of full age and give address as 103 Lancefield Street.

Witnesses: Charles H Hudson and Caroline Hudson

I wonder if this is Charles in 1911? In jail would explain why he's "not living here" with the rest of the family:


1911 England Census about Charles Selby
Name: Charles Selby
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
[Marylebone, London]
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Wormwood Scrubs Prison, Ducane Road, Shepherds Bush W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COSTER
Registration District: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration District: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 30-32
Piece: 226

Here they are, mistranscribed, in 1901:


1901 England Census about Johanna Selley
Name: Johanna Selley
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Selley
Gender: Female
Where born: England

Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: General labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Kensington
Sub-registration District: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 786
Piece: 30
Folio: 154
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Selley 38
Johanna Selley 38
Harry Selley 6
Eleanor Selley 5
John Selley 3
Margaret Selley 1

The address on the 1911 census for Johanna is 18 Bosworth Road so this has to surely be her husband:

Crime, Prisons & Punishment

First name: Charles
Last name: Selby
Age: 40
Year of birth: 1863
Occupation: Labourer
Place of residence: Bosworth-road, North Kensington
Date of conviction: 30 March 1903
Record source: Metropolitan Police: Criminal Record Office: Habitual Criminals Registers and Miscellaneous Papers
The National Archives reference: MEPO6/77

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Have sent the image by pm to Jacqueline as it has photos.

ADDED 16:19
Jacqueline has received photos and suspected Charles may have been in prison 1911. Advised her possible record found.