Genealogy Chat

can I pick your brains. I dont need look-ups, but Im in a confused muddle with David Jenkins born 1886 (according to census) in Pontypridd. My brain is going round in circles because Ive spent too long looking at him on the tree, just getting nowhere. I have him for definite in 1911 in a tent in Abersychan, South Wales with Genty Jenkins (common law wife, UNFORTUNATELY no marriage cert exists) and baby Celia. Genty was my great granny, so this is definitely him and I think his death was one registered in 1913. I think I have him in 1901 with parents John n Eliza but not sure as many David Jenkins are about - his two step-siblings were born in Australia, I think Eliza was a stepmother. I cant find this record again but I did find it once, hence having the info. I cant find any other record of that family, if its even the right David. Hes NOT the son of Griffith and Janet Jenkins, I've ruled that out. If anyone has any more ideas I'd be grateful to hear them. In 1911 he was a gypsy hawker but the 1901 lot weren't gypsies - altho its possible he took to the life when he met Genty. Their daughter Celia vanished off the face of the earth after Davids death, my grandmother (Gentys daughter) has no knowledge of her. *Ive found a poss marriage for Celia and ordered the cert but it hasnt arrived yet. Just trying to sort David's tangle out.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:David Jenkins

Probate Date:10 Jan 1914

Death Date:5 Nov 1913
Death Place:Glamorgan, Wales 266 Bridgend Road
Registry:London, England

Probate to: Widow, Jennett Jenkins - £65 14s 5d

Do you think that this might be your David?

And then there is this? Do you know when 'Genty' died and what her birth name was?


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:Jennet Jenkins

Probate Date:23 Mar 1915

Death Date:28 Feb 1915

Death Place:Glamorgan, Wales 4 Jenkins Cottages
Registry:London, England




Probate to: Elizabeth Davies (Wife of John Davies) £1358 6s 5d


Edit: Maybe not, I can a death for this quarter and woman is too old to be yours

Sorry I had to leave laptop for a bit, yes I think this is mine but if the death seems too old then maybe not? Oh this might mean Ive taklen a completely wrong turn. Her name was Genty but she hated it and called herself a range of names: Genteel, Jentina, etc etc. Also, Jenkins cottages sounds familiar as I have other members of the family who lived at Jenkins Row(unsure if its the same.) Genty took up with Percy Price and had his children from 1919, before dying in 1966 as Gentila Edwards. Thankyou so much for looking. PS, her birth name was Gentila Roberts but she had no birth cert as she was born in a wagon in Kent or Sussex. OH, Ive just remembered, the 1911 one with David has to be mine - she had her sister Celia and brother in law there with her in a caravan. That death you found for David is different to the one I have, I never saw yours on Ancestry so thankyou. Mine: David J Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1913
Age at Death: 27
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 787

Is this the marriage that you think might be Celia?



England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name:Leonard A Gwilliam

Spouse Surname:Jenkins

Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1936

Registration District:Bridgend

Inferred County:
Glamorgan
Volume Number:11a
Page Number:1493


This is from a thread posted some 5 years ago

Hi my name is glenys i am trying to find my fathers relatives his name was leonard arthur gwilliam he was born in pontypool 1907 i beleive his fathers name was john he was a policeman his mothers name was mary preece my father first marriage was to cilian they had 3 children david celia and glenys who died i am from his second marriage i have 3 brothers and 3 sisters if anyone can help please send me a message thankyou

Interesting that one of the children was a 'David'

Oh my Lord you are a complete star Gins. Yes thats the marriage and Im waiting on the cert, Ive traced their family to the present day and messaged them on here and facebook but received no reply. I need to leave that now as they might not want to discuss it....but I havent come across Glenys !! So I'll try and find her, thankyou Gins. I hope shes still on here. PS, Just checked my messages, I messaged her but no reply yet. x

Not sure if you found the thread I c/p earlier. Here it is

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/thread/1049216

I didnt but thankyou. It appears Ive messaged her at some point but she may have since changed her email. x

I know that you are not after look-ups, but I think you said that you could not trace the 1901 census entry you had found once. Could it be this one? I looked from 1881 to 1891 in Wales, parents John and El*z*, but only came up with 3 in 1901. Only one of those was Eliza instead of Elizabeth, and it looks as if it might be the one you had found, since it mentions Pontypridd:

Name: David Jenkins
Age in 1901: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Jenkins
Mother's Name: Eliza Jenkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Civil Parish: Pontypridd
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanwonno
Town: Hopkinstown
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-registration District: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Household Schedule Number: 157
Piece: 5002
Folio: 158
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jenkins 53
Eliza Jenkins 51
Richard Thomas 17
David Jenkins 16
Maggie J Thomas 15
Rachel Jenkins 10
Edward McKenna 30

Eliza might be on her second marriage, with there being Thomas children recorded too.

Edit: ah, yes, Richard and Maggie Thomas are shown as born in South Australia

Thankyou Ivy, thats the one! Very evasive family they were. Yes I think she was on her 2nd marriage as her kids had the surname Thomas and were born in Oz.