Genealogy Chat

Hope someone can help…

I’m doing a tree for a friend and although the maternal line was pretty easy –I can’t even get off the ground on the paternal…
All the lady knows is the details of her father which are:-

Steven James Murphy born 3/9/1906 at 27, Nora Street Sunderland, and that he had two brothers –Michael Thomas and Danny (who she thinks died in the war.
The family moved to Birmingham but she doesn’t know when.

Now I’ve found them at various addresses in Birmingham on the electoral registers in the 1930's and 40's so I thought it would be easy to get them in the 1911 census so I could get started properly –but nothing.
I’ve now got Steven’s birth certificate which shows his father was also Steven James Murphy an ‘Army Pensioner’
His mother was Mary Ellen Murphy (Murphy was also her maiden name)
Any ideas please?

Have you looked for a marriage for the parents?

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Murphy Stephen James Sunderland 10a 626

Yes, I can't find one at all....

That's the one -I've got the certificate

T

I think it might be worth your looking at the Irish census for 1911, if one or both of the parents were born there they might just be visiting?

This one has father and son both born England, some siblings and mother born Ireland?


Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Murphy Stephen 49 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Murphy Mary 35 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Murphy Michael 10 Male Son Roman Catholic
Murphy George 9 Male Son Roman Catholic
Murphy Kathleen 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Murphy Stephen 5 Male Son Roman Catholic
Murphy Daniel 3 Male Son Roman Catholic
Murphy Ann 58 Female Relative Roman Catholic

Got to say that does look promising -it also has the same names as 2 of the brothers mentioned.
Presumably if the father was an 'army pensioner' at the time Steven was born (1906) then he must have been relatively old by then which also seems to fit.

T

RamblingingRose -I'm struggling to find that census could you paste me all the details please

T

Census Years1901MonaghanMonaghan RuralCoolshannaghResidents of a house
Residents of a house 3 in Coolshannagh (Monaghan Rural, Monaghan)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Murphy Stephen 39 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic England, Sussex Soldier Tr Sgt 5 R. I. F Read and write - Married -
Murphy Mary Ellen 25 Female Wife Roman Catholic Monaghan - Read and write - Married -
Murphy Michael Male Son Roman Catholic Monaghan - - - Not Married -
Murphy Anne 52 Female Aunt of Wife Roman Catholic

Years1911DownPottinger (part of)Vulcan StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 16 in Vulcan Street (Pottinger (part of), Down)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Murphy Stephen 49 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic England Pensioner (Clerk) Read and write - Married - - - -
Murphy Mary 35 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Monaghan - Read and write - Married - 13 5 5
Murphy Michael 10 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Monaghan Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Murphy George 9 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Monaghan Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Murphy Kathleen 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Monaghan Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Murphy Stephen 5 Male Son Roman Catholic England - Cannot read - Single - - - -
Murphy Daniel 3 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Antrim - Cannot read - Single - - - -
Murphy Ann 58 Female Relative Roman Catholic Co Monaghan - Read and write - Single - - - -
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Stephen Murphy married Mary Ellen Murphy 1898 Monaghan R.C. Co. Monaghan
Stephen's father's a John
Mary Ellen father's a George

Michael born 1900 Co Monaghan
rootsireland.ie

Name:Stephen James MURPHY
Year of birth:1861
Place of birth:Chichester, Sussex
Regiment:68th Brigade

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Stephen James Murphy Name: Stephen James Murphy
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1861
Registration District: Chichester
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 315

Maura you are an angel

Anything else you find please keep it coming....

T

Looks like he enlisted again in 1914

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Stephen James Murphy Name: Stephen James Murphy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age at enlistment: 52
Document Year: 1914
Number of images: 29


He died 1924 at 143 Windsor street Birmingham, next of kin M.E. Murphy

Really really grateful thanks Maura -been pulling my hair out and getting nowhere.
Don't know how you did t but thanks.

Terry

His army records, give alot of information on him, his marriage & all his children names ,plus alot of other information. If you want them, pm me your email address and I'll send you them.

Baptism....

Name: Stephanus Jacobus Murphy
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Aug 1906
Christening Place: Millfield, Durham, England
Birth Date: 03 Aug 1906
Father's Name: Stephani Jacobi
Mother's Name: Mariae Helenae Murphy Murphy

Click onto the Link to visit St Josephs RC Church Millfield...Beautiful Church and History to go with it...

Plenty of Murphy Baptisms took place there so it may have been Stephen and Mary Ellen were visiting family when Stephen jnr.was born.....

http://www.st-josephs.net/our%20church.htm

Thanks Eringobragh -again much obliged for the help

T