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I found them on Ancestry.............a subscription site

Hey a big thank you to each and every one of you who took time and effort to help me in this matter , all replies have been a great help . Reggie how did you get the courts records? .
Best regards to you all Dave

Good find, Kathleen

I hadn't looked for a death................I'd assumed that the OP would have done so

Possibly his wife and child in the 1901 census:-

1901 census transcription details for: 11, 47, House, Back Of Pope Street, Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2824
Folio: 79
Page: 19
Reg. District: Birmingham
Sub District: Lady Wood
Parish: Birmingham
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 11, 47, House, Back Of Pope Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ECCLES, Margaret Head Married F 28 1873 Shirt Ironer
Bristol, Gloucestershire
ECCLES, Walter Son Single M 3 1898
Birmingham

and again in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 1 Ho Court 15 Bridge Street West Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18080 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED20 SN48
Reg. District: Birmingham
Sub District: St George
Parish: Birmingham
Enum. District: 20

Address: 1 Ho Court 15 Bridge Street West Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

ECCLES, Margaret Head Widow F 38 1873 Laundress Old King St Bristol
ECCLES, Walter Son Single M 13 1898 School Bracebridge St Birmingham CB
ECCLES, Jessie Daughter Daughter F 9 1902 School Wheeler St Birmingham CB

Kath. x

Possible marriage for him in 1891 to Margaret Burt or Selina Hood. (probably Margaret Burt after looking at the 1911 census where Margaret Eccles is a widow).

Dec. qtr. 1891, Birmingham, 6d, 264.

The page number is mis-transcribed on Findmypast.

Kath. x

Possible death for him (the age would be about right):-

Name: ECCLES, George
Registration district: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1910
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 38
Volume no: 6D
Page no: 50

Kath. x

He seems to have made a habit of offending

Name: George Eccles
[Thos Smith]
Birth Year: abt 1872
Trial Age: 38
Trial Date: 10 Oct 1910
Civil Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Court Name: Victoria Courts
Session: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Oct)
Session Date: 10 Oct 1910
Source: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace
Reference Number: QS/B/20/93


There is a long list of crimes...............and he pleaded guilty to being an habitual offender. 15 offences accounted for

Sentenced to 3 years' penal servitude, and 5 and a half years preventive detention

So, he'd be in prison in 1911

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An earlier Court appearance

Name: George Eccles
Birth Year: abt 1872
Trial Age: 36
Trial Date: 4 Feb 1908
Civil Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Court Name: Victoria Courts
Session: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Feb)
Session Date: 3 Feb 1908
Source: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace
Reference Number: QS/B/20/74

'Own Account' means that he works for himself

To find info about the institution itself..............google

Hello can any one tell what own account means for some one in work house or prison i have a George Eccles b1872 Birmingham in 1901 census shows him as prisoner at All saints Birmingham with own account .Is this the prison as i recall it been big depressing place prison plus mental asylum in the 1960s 70s
No records of him in 1911 census .
Yrs Dave