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Recorded as 'In prison' in workhouse records

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Kevin

Kevin Report 3 Nov 2013 09:48

Hi,
My grandfather was recorded as in Croydon Surrey Workhouse whilst his parents were 'in prison one month' .
Q- any idea where i might find out what prison and what for?
I have checked the National Archives prison records search and found nothing.
Name of people in prison
Phullip Harry Smith and Gertrude Smith
thanks

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2013 10:01

When?

patchem

patchem Report 3 Nov 2013 10:17

Possibly marriage of parents?

Marriages Jun 1902
Abraham Gertrude Croydon 2a 429
Smith Philip Harry Croydon 2a 429

so 1911?

Added:
Gertrude born 1880 Ecclesfield in Kevin's tree.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 Nov 2013 10:18

There might be an article in the British Newspaper Archive on this site, or FMP.

As Reggie says, which census? The parents should be shown on the corresponding Prison census. When were they born?

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Kevin

Kevin Report 3 Nov 2013 10:26

Hi,
they are both out of prison in the 1911 census but in 1912 they appeared to have spent time in and out of the workhouse between 1910-1912, certainly their children were inthere on their own at one point. It was 1912 when I saw the prison comment
They were born
Phillip Harry Smith May 1878
Gertrude Smith ( Nee Abraham) born May 1880

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 Nov 2013 10:36

They aren't in prison on the 1911 - perhaps they'd just been released?

Address 73 WENTWORTH ROAD CROYDON
RG14PN3331 RG78PN126 RD39 SD3 ED9 SN303

Person 1
First Name PHILIP HARRY
Last Name SMITH
Birth Year 1879
Age 32
Where Born SURREY CROYDON
Occupation WAREHOUSE MAN HAY AND STRAW STORES

Person 2
Name GERTRUDE SMITH
Birth Year 1879
Age 32
Where Born ILSBROOK YORKS

Person 3
BEATRICE ELLEN SMITH
Birth Year 1909
Age 2
Where Born SURREY CROYDON

Person 4
WILLIAM HARRY SMITH
Birth Year 1904
Age 7
Where Born SURREY CROYDON

Person 5
MABEL ANNIE SMITH
Born 1906
Age 5
Where Born SURREY CROYDON

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2013 10:36

Can't see anything about them in the Criminal records held by FMP

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 Nov 2013 10:43

The ones on Ancestry only go up to 1892.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 Nov 2013 10:47

You might have to ask Surrey Record Office for advice, and to see if they have historical newspapers on fiche. The only prison close to Croydon which comes up on an internet search is High Down which was opened in the 1990s

Surrey History Centre, 130 Goldsworth Road, Woking, Surrey GU21 6ND

01483 518737

[email protected]

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Kevin

Kevin Report 3 Nov 2013 10:48

thank you,
yes I think they were in prison in 1912 it says only for 1 month.
I wonder where.
Thanks for all your help
Kevin