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G day yes that is my line all of my information has come from a researcher from NZ she work at a unversary there I believe and it covers a vast list of names Richard HORE who married Pillip WYNTER in 1578 . I will try and get in touch with my brother But hold not much hope but will try again 'kind regards Rita
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And look, 2+ years later and Rita saw it! I got your PM too Rita, thanks.
I had been hoping to make contact with some of the various Hores/Hoars who went to Australia during the great emigration in the mid-1800s. I guess your Hezekiah went out a little later.
Would your brother be interested in DNA testing do you think? You and my Hoar DNA match have nice family trees down from John 1552. (People who trace back to him sometimes have some middle links mixed up, given how all the male given names got recycled generation after generation. But one way or another, given the long roots in St Austell/Roche, all Hore/Hoar families in that little area go back to him.)
I only know that my family does from the YDNA. My male family member's YDNA is too close a match to the St Austell/Roche Hoar in the US for there to be any question, especially given that this line of my family comes from nearby in Cornwall.
My problem is that Hoar/Hore is not the surname of that family line. And the surname in my family is so common that I simply have no hope of tracing back from the 1817 marriage to find out who the groom really was, or his father or gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather really was. He married in 1817, had two sons, and died before 1835 (when his wife remarried).
I was able to identify the wife because in the 1841 census, her younger son from her first marriage was living with her and her new husband. Did I mention that, bizarrely, her surname was Hoare? And she seems to spring from a Mr Hoare whose roots I also cannot trace before his marriage (or probably, two bastardy orders shortly before his marriage ... Hoare by name, Hoare by nature ...).
I have a kit sitting on my desk that I have paid for but kind of forgotten about, to do a "family finder" kit that might tell us whether the Hoar in the US - who has already done a family finder test - and my family share more than one Hoar ancestor, or at least help tell how distantly related we are.
We would love it if your brother would do a YDNA test. The father's day sale has ended now, but there will be a summer sale and I can let you know when it is announced.
Is this your great-grandfather Hezekiah in 1861 with his parents?
Name: Joseph Hore
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: 1801
[Abt 1820] >> an Ancestry user corrected the mistranscribed age: 40 not 60
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hore
Gender: Male
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Austell
Ecclesiastical parish: Treverbyn
County/Island: Cornwall
Registration district: St Austell
Joseph Hore 60
Ann Hore 33
William H Hore 14
>> Hezekiah Hore 13
David Hore 9
Jeremiah Hore 7
Emily A Hore 4
Albert Hore 2
Lucy Hore 1
This is Joseph's baptism at the Cornwall OPC site:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2244515
Day Month 23-Sep
Year 1821
Parish Or Reg District Roche
Forename Joseph
Surname HORE
Sex son
Father Forename William - your great-great-grandfather
Mother Forename Jane
Residence Molinnis, St Austell
Father Rank Profession miner
1784 to 1802 there were 9 William Hores baptised in St Austell
and 1 in Roche, in 1793 ... who I would hope was not yours because no father is named and the mother is Mary Hore, which means that that William is not in the male Hore line :-)
This looks like probably the family in 1841
> Wm Hore 50
> Jane Hore 45
Jane Hore 20
William Hore 20
> Joseph Hore 15 Hezekiah's father
James Hore 15
Simon Hore 10
Ruben Hore 9
Daniel Hore 8
so your William was born 1787-1891
and I hope you have good family records to tell you which William he was!
William and Jane married in 1813 in St Austell
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=937303
so to contrast with my family ...
- your grx3 grandfather William Hore married in 1813
- my grx3 grandfather who seems to be genetically a Hore married in 1817 and died before 1835
and I can't go back any farther than him in records.
Your brother's YDNA could turn out to be a better or worse match with my male rellie's than the Hoar in the US is. That could tell me whether I am in his line from John 1552, or your line.
The one thing your brother's YDNA would do, if it matched the Hoar in the US, is confirm that both of your families are indeed genetic Hore/Hoars. And then I would know my family is too. :-)
I'm putting this message here rather than doing this by private message since it is so much easier to follow on the board. If there's anything you want to tell me privately, just message me. More sensibly, we should exchange email addresses, if you are interested in the DNA project, and I can introduce you to the project administrator (whose Hoars hail from Devon) and so on.
I will also try to dig up links to the online family tree of the Hoar in the US and send you that too, since it has ancestral info for that line that I have none of for mine.
The Hoar in the US is actually deceased now; he was the elderly father of the woman doing the genealogy work, like me (and you :-) )
This is her great-grandfather's birth:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2380762
Day Month 05-Jun
Year 1831
Parish Or Reg District Austell, St.
Forename Richard Martyn
Surname HORE
Sex
> Father Forename Jacob - her great-great-grandfather
Mother Forename Gertrude
Residence Fatwork
Father Rank Profession miner
Notes born 3rd. April
and this is the family in 1841
Jacob Hore 50
Gertrude Hore 45
John Hore 23
Henry Hore 14
> Richard Hore 10
Hannah Hore 6
Gertrude Hore 20
Very long generations in that family - so she is about the same age as me (and probably you) but a generation 'younger'.
Her grx2 grandfather Jacob was born c1790, which would be around when my grx3 grfather who married in 1817 and your grx3 grfather William were born.
So I can't say where your two trees meet up, but I can try putting you in touch with her. She has not been participating actively in the project for a couple of years.
It's great to hear from you and I hope we can persuade your brother to donate his DNA to the cause! It can be done absolutely anonymously - no names, no identifying info - and I can explain all that for you if he's interested.
I should add that I did do more detailed YDNA testing on my male rellie's sample, and the match - the unbelievably lucky match - did bear out as a close one. At 20 generations back from the people who tested, a 98% chance of a common ancestor, and at 24 generations, over a 99% chance.
I had expected that any match I got would be with someone who had emigrated from Cornwall, probably to the US (which is where most people testing live), in the mid-1800s, in connection with mining - and that is exactly what the match is, just not a surname I was expecting. :-)
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Hello My great grandparents came to Australia from St Austell Cornwall their names were Hezekiah HORE and Drusilla WARNE
Hezekiah returned to St Austell after his wife Drusilla died in 1901 c 1917 he married to Hannah Anna LUXON he died in 1927 ,my Father and his father both had the HORE name and I do have a Brother and sister alive thank you for your story Rita Kidd
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First, hello, from a newcomer here, and I hope I am putting this message in the right place. I signed up after searching family trees here and finding a number of people with these lines in their trees so I know what I am going to be doing this weekend ... sending out lots of messages!
I am part of a project looking into the connections among the families with these surname variants from the St Austell / Roche bit of Cornwall, descended from a John Hore born 1552 (or his ancestors I guess). There are descendants in England, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, it seems, from emigration mainly in the early mid 1850s, when so many people left Cornwall and went off to work in mining, mainly, elsewhere. I have seen messages and trees of people in some of those places on the net and hope to be able to contact some of them too.
Well, I'm not part of the project, since I'm a mere girl and daughter of a girl, and for tracing the surname line only boys count. But this is a very interesting bit of my own tree with lots of questions, so I got a male rellie to scrape his cheek for it. So far, of the very few participants in the project, my rellie has a close match! with someone who has the paper trail to go with (which is what I do not have for this line), confirming that somehow, this family of mine is in that line. Possibly from one of those "non-paternal events" ... where the name somebody got wasn't the (real) daddy's name. Because until we got that match, we didn't suspect that was the surname of the family from Cornwall in question in our tree. The match as so far tested isn't so perfect that it might not come from before surnames still, though. We are hoping to refine it, and more participants would help do that.
Of coure it's always possible that the other person is the one with the non-paternal event in his line! and maybe he belongs to my family's surname line and not vice versa. So we need more people with the name and hopefully the pedigree to test, to confirm that what we are matching is actually Hore/Hoar/Hoare DNA. Or if you don't have the pedigree, the testing might get you one. ;)
The people in the US with this name who seem to come from Devon and/or Gloucestershire lines are not matching with our two boys. But they are looking for possible cousins too. Many people in the States especially are eager to get more people in England (and Scotland and Ireland) to do testing since they have no records at all to let them jump the Atlantic to their source.
Anyone else who has a male rellie who matches these genealogical specs - your uncle or brother or grandfather or cousin (or your partner's, if it is his or your children's family you are researching) - can get that person to collect his cheek scrapings, and you can administer his "kit" on his behalf.
I don't expect that any cousins will see this message today and come flocking to the project, but it's out here on the internet now so somebody may run into it and be interested.
Meanwhile I would love to hear anyone else's stories of successes, or surprises, from DNA testing. So far I have only done this YDNA thing but I am thinking of doing autosomal testing ("Family Finder" with the company we are using) and I would also love to hear from anyone who has done that about what it has told them.
Good night all!
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