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hi, I'm a relative rookie at this and looking for some help please.
I've traced John Griffin from Cockermouth to Middlesbrough via the 1891 and 1901census. however on the 1891 census he is listed as simply being from Ireland with no further details. I've checked the Irish sites recommended in a previous thread but with no further information I have found many matches and cannot narrow it down. Any one have any other ideas please?
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Welcome to the boards Susan.
Did he marry in England? If so, the marriage certificate would give his father's name if known, and possibly the father's occupation. That might help to eliminate some of the Irish families
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to help us get our heads round your family, is this YOUR John Griffin in 1891?????
1891 Census
Name: John Griffin
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rachael Griffin
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Workington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Cockermouth
Sub-registration District: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
John Griffin 37 General Labourer
Rachael Griffin 30 b.ca 1861, Middlesboro, Yorkshire
John Griffin 8 b.ca 1883, Workington, Cumberland
Bernard Griffin 6 b.ca 1885, Workington
James Griffin 4 b.ca 1887, Workington
Sarah Griffin 2 b.ca 1889, Workington
Isabella Griffin 2/12 b.ca 1891, Workington
Patrick Cunningham 45 Lodger (born Ireland)
Patrick Hughes 24 Lodger (born Ireland)
Address:- 10 Westfield Place
From this, we can see that he and Rachael must have married in either Yorkshire or Cumberland. Buying their marriage certificate should give you the names fo their fathers ....... and that might help to trace John's family. Just as DET said.
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This looks like his marriage registration, from www.freebmd.org.uk
Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
Griffin John Middlesbro' 9d 764
HOWE Rachel Middlesbro' 9d 764
You can buy it, for £9.25, including shipping and handling, from the General Register Office
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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1881
Name: Rachel Griffin
Occupation:
Address: 1/2 Lower 37 West St Middlesbrough, Yorkshire (North Riding),
Head John Griffin M 26 Ireland
Wife Rachel Griffin F 21 M Bro, Yorkshire, England
Daughter Sarah Griffin F 3 M Bro, Yorkshire, England
Daughter Ann Griffin F 0 Mbro, Yorkshire, England
Lodger Head John Donahie M 32 Ireland
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Oh dear, John's died by 1911. Thought there might be some clue on this.
1911 census transcription details for: 33 Henry St Middlesbro
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN29268 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED5 SN226
Reg. District: Middlesbrough
Sub District: Middlesbrough West
Parish: Middlesbrough
Enum. District: 5
Address: 33 Henry St Middlesbro
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GRIFFIN, Rachel Head Widow F 50 1861 Yorks Middlesbrough
GRIFFIN, John Son Single M 28 1883 Blastfurnace Labourer Cumberland Workington
GRIFFIN, James Son Single M 24 1887 Blastfurnace Labourer Cumberland Workington
GRIFFIN, Sarah Daughter Single F 22 1889 Cumberland Workington
GRIFFIN, Joseph Son M 14 1897 Errand Boy Yorks Middlesborough
GRIFFIN, Thomas Son M 12 1899 School Yorks Middlesborough
GRIFFIN, Francis Son M 9 1902 School Yorks Middlesborough
O HARA, Ellen Niece F 10 1901 School Yorks Middlesborough
MARREN, Hugh Boarder Married M 34 1877 Blastfurnace Labourer Yorks Middlesborough
HUGHES, Simon Boarder Single M 44 1867 Stevedore Lancs Wigan
1901 census transcription details for: 44, Dacre Street, Middlesbrough, Town
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4574
Folio: 72
Page: 17
Reg. District: Middlesbrough
Sub District: Middlesbrough
Parish: Middlesbrough
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: St Hildas
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 44, Dacre Street, Middlesbrough, Town
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRIFFIN, John Head Married M 47 1854 Blastfurnace Labourer
Ireland
GRIFFIN, Reachel Wife Married F 40 1861
Middlesbro, Yorkshire
GRIFFIN, John Son Single M 18 1883 Apprentice Reviter Shipyard
Workington, Cumberland
GRIFFIN, Bernard Son Single M 17 1884 Revit Heater Shipyard
Workington, Cumberland
GRIFFIN, James Son Single M 14 1887 Revit Catcher Shipyard
Workington, Cumberland
GRIFFIN, Sarah Daughter Single F 12 1889
Workington, Cumberland
GRIFFIN, Isabella Daughter Single F 10 1891
Workington, Cumberland
GRIFFIN, Joseph Son Single M 4 1897
Middlesbro, Yorkshire
GRIFFIN, Thomas Son Single M 2 1899
Middlesbro, Yorkshire
LOUGHRAN, Micheal Boarder Single M 53 1848 Blast Furnace Labourer
Ireland
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thanks for all your advice. Yes that is my John Griffin and I had noticed that by 1911 he had died although I cannot find a record of it in the Middlesbrough area. I have all the information from the census mentioned so guess my next step is to purchase the marriage certificate for John Griffin and Rachel Howe and hopefully find enough information on there. thanks again for all the help, this family research is quite addictive!
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