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Hello, can anyone help please. I am looking for the records of this school. Mr great, grandfather, Samuel Kingston, was on the 1881 Census as an inmate at this school and I am trying to find out why he was in there and what happened to him when he left.

The facts:- I know he was born in 1870 in Marylebone and his father died in 1871. He is at the school in 1881 and then there is no record of him until 1902 where he gets married in Middlesex to Elisabeth Francis Lodge. I am trying to find out why he was not on the 1891 census, was he abroad? I just dont know. If anyone can give me any pointers it would be great. Thanks for your help. Jo :-D

Could this be him in 1891?

WATER, Augustus Head Married M 35 1856 Tripe Dresser Tottington, London
WATER, Eliza Wife Married F 34 1857 St Giles, London
WATER, Ada A Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar St Giles, London
WATER, Rosa Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar St Giles, London
WATER, Augustin F E Son M 7 1884 Scholar St Giles, London
WATER, Daisy H Daughter F 5 1886 St Giles, London
WATER, Percy A Son M 0 (6M) 1891 St Giles, London
WATER, Mary A Sister F 23 1868 Mothers Help St Giles, London
COLES, Mary A Servant F 33 1858 Domestic Servant Hackney, London
?, Alfred Assistant M 22 1869 Shopman Tottington, London
>>>KINGSTON, Samuel Assistant M 19 1872 St Giles, London

Piece: 212 Folio: 155 Page: 68
Registration District: St Giles
Civil Parish: Bloomsbury

Address: 25, Little Earl Street, Bloomsbury County: London

EDIT: - Not too sure, this one may have gone on to marry an Emily.

When he married Elizabeth Francis Crimmons (widow, nee Lodge) 2 Dec 1902 he was a labourer of 31a Bridge Street. Deceased father George had been a bricklayer.

Witnesses: William and Hettie Attridge - are they members of either family?

1881 gives him as a scholar

Looking at the image there are teachers etc listed

1901 (reference)
CRIMINS, Elizh Frances Head Married F 26 1875 Milk Carrier
Kilburn
CRIMINS, Henry Geo Son Single M 1 (1 YRS 6 MOS) 1900
Marylebone
ISON, Mary Amelia Visitor Single F 18 1883 Milk Carrier
Marylebone
Piece: 111
Folio: 64
Page: 17
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough:
Address: 37, Horace Street, St Marylebone
County: London

1911
KINGSTON, Elizabeth F Head Married F 36 1875 Charwoman Willesden County of Middlesex
CRIMMIONS, Henry George Son M 12 1899 School Marylebone London
KINGSTON, Samuel Thomas Son M 4 1907 Willesden Middlesex
KINGSTON, William James Son M 2 1909 Willesden Middlesex
RG number: RG14
Piece: 6981
Reference: RG14PN6981 RD129 SD1 ED1 SN210
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Willesden
Address: 8 Stuart Road Kilburn N W
County: Middlesex

1911
KINGSTON, Samuel Inmate Married M 37 1874 Formerly Builders Labourer London Marylebone
RG number: RG14
Piece: 7067
Reference: RG14PN7067 RD129 SD1 ED87 SN1
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 87
Parish: Willesden
Address: Crownhill Road Harlesden Willesden
County: Middlesex

Chris :)

1911 (Witness?)
ATTRIDGE, William Head Married M 51 1860 Undertakers Assistant Essex Brentwood
ATTRIDGE, Jessie Wife F 50 1861 Marylebone
ATTRIDGE, Catherine Daughter Single F 20 1891 Domestic Servant Kensington
ATTRIDGE, Thomas Son Single M 18 1893 G W R Van Guard Kensington
ATTRIDGE, Samuel Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy Paddington
ATTRIDGE, John Son M 13 1898 School Boy Paddington
RG number: RG14
Piece: 6986
Reference: RG14PN6986 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED6 SN644
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Willesden
Address: 18 Stafford Mews Kilburn
County: Middlesex


Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Attridge William Marylebone 1a 907
KINGSTON Jessie Marylebone 1a 907

Chris :)

Name:
William Albridge[William Attridge] (somebody corrected)
Estimated birth year:abt 1857 Age:26
Jessie Kingston Spouse Age:27
Event Date:11 Jun 1883
Parish:St Marylebone St Luke
Borough:Westminster
Father Name:Charles Albridge
Spouse Father:Thomas Kingston (Bricklayer. Deceased)
(wits. Samuel Frost, Caroline Barbara Kingston, abode for both, 11, Moore Street)

1871
KINGSTON, Catherine Head F 45 1826 Scotland (Widow)
KINGSTON, Jessie Daughter F 15 1856 Middlesex
KINGSTON, Georgina Daughter F 7 1864 Middlesex
KINGSTON, Samuel Son M 0 1871 Middlesex
KINGSTON, George Brother-In-Law M 23 1848 Middlesex (Unm. Bricklayer)
Piece: 167
Folio: 32
Page: 57
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough: London
Address: Moore Street, St Marylebone, London
County: London, Middlesex


Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Frost Samuel Marylebone 1a 1011
Kingston Caroline Barbara Marylebone 1a 1011

1861
KINGSTON, Thomas Head Married M 31 1830 Bricklayer
Marylebone, Middlesex
KINGSTON, Catherine Wife Married F 28 1833 Bricklayer's Wife
Scotland
KINGSTON, Caroline Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex
KINGSTON, Jessie Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex
KINGSTON, Harriett Daughter F 0 (7M) 1861
Marylebone, Middlesex
Piece: 78
Folio: 24
Page: 41
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough: Marylebone
Address: 12, Moore Street, St Marylebone, London, Marylebone
County: London

1881
KINGSTON, Catherine Lodger Widow F 56 1825 Nurse
Scotland
Piece: 150
Folio: 56
Page: 8
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough:
Address: 20, Walmer St, St Marylebone
County: London, Middlesex


Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Frost Caroline Barbara 36 Islington 1b 214

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(Burial on above)

Something odd about this family but cant put my finger on it


Looking at censuses, this appears to be the parents of Samuel?



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:Catherine Robertson

Spouse Name:Thomas Kingston <<Bricklayer

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:8 May 1853

Parish:St Marylebone

Borough:Westminster

Father Name:George Robertson <<Servant

Spouse Father:Edward Kingston <<Bricklayer

Register Type:Parish Register


Wit: Samuel Kingston & Sarah Guilder


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London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1828-1930

Name:Catherine Kingston

Age:69

Birth Year:abt 1823

Record Type:Settlement Papers

Event Date:27 Jul 1892

Poor Law Union or Parish:Shoreditch

Reference Number:SHBG/125

1861 England Census

Name:Thomas Kingston

Age:31

Estimated birth year:1830

Relation:Head

Spouse's Name:Catherine Kingston

Gender:Male

Where born:Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St Marylebone

Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary

Town:London

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:Marylebone

Sub-registration district:St Mary

ED, institution, or vessel:9

Household schedule number:338

Piece:78

Folio:24

Page Number:41

Household Members:

Thomas Kingston 31 <<Bricklayer
Catherine Kingston 28
Caroline Kingston 6
Jessie Kingston 4
Harriett Kingston 7/12

1881
COX, James Head Married M 42 1839 Labourer
Northolt, Middlesex
KINGSTON, George Lodger Single M 38 1843 Painter
Marylebone, Middlesex
Piece: 148
Folio: 35
Page: 10
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Moore St, St Marylebone

1891
KINGSTON, George Lodger Single M 47 1844 House Painter
Marylebone
Piece: 96
Folio: 145
Page: 47
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough:
Address: 27, Brown Street, St Marylebone
County: London

1901
PHIPPS, F B Head Widower M 73 1828 Bricklayer
Marylebone, London VIEW
KINGSTONE, G? Single F 58 1843 Painter
Marylebone, London
Piece: 113
Folio: 26
Page: 44
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough:
Address: 23, Little North Street, St Marylebone
County: London

Chris :)

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:Samuel Kingston

Probate Date:9 Apr 1913

Death Date:28 Mar 1912

Death Place:Middlesex, England

Registry:London, England

Administration to: Elizabeth Frances (widow) £5

WOW, thank you so much everyone, I am amazed by the information you have gathered. I've already got a lot of the information before and information after his marriage and up till his death but had lost him for an odd 20 years, which is after the 1881 census, when he is in the St Marylebone School in Southall aged 11 and when he gets married at the age of 32. I just wondered if the school records might show anything but I cant seem to locate them at all. Anyone got any ideas. Thanks ever so much your help is really appreciated. Jo :-)

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.mdx.general/9842.1/mb.ashx

(from google, click on link given on above, then you need image number 149 of 284 says admitted 21st April 1879. Mother in St. Mary's Hospital)

Chris :)

Following Gins, a death for Thomas Kingston before census 1871:

Name: Thomas Kingston
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 446


Baptism for Samuel?

Name: Samuel Kingston<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1870
Father's Name: Thomas Kingston<<<<<<
Mother's name: Catherine Kingston<<<<<<<<<<<<
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 18 Aug 1870. Father Thomas a bricklayer. Address 8 Homer (? hard to read) Row.

EDIT:

Harriet from the 1861 census posted by Gins and Chris Ho :) is baptised at the same place:

Name: Harriet Kingston
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1862
Father's Name: Thomas Kingston
Mother's name: Catherine Kingston
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 10th Sept 1860. Father Thomas a bricklayer. Address 17 Luton Street.

Sadly:

Name: Harriet Kingston
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1868
Age at Death: 8
Registration district: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 376

Not sure about this and there is little info on the record only that above his name is a Maria Kingston, housekeeper



UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name:Samuel Kingston <<<Bricklayer
Gender:Male

Age:39

Birth Date:abt 1869

Departure Date:5 Apr 1908

Port of Departure:Queenstown, Ireland

Destination Port:New York, USA

Ship Name:Lusitania

Shipping line:Cunard Line

Official Number:124082

Master:J B Waitt

Thank you so much everyone for your help. I'm working hard to make sense of it all and adding it to my tree.

Thank you so much everyone for your help. I'm working hard to make sense of it all and adding it to my tree.

St Marylebone school was described as belonging to the guardians of the poor of the parish of St Marylebone .

So it was a live in school for the poor to get or keep them off the street and to give them some education .
In Samuels case it looks as if he didn't have family to look after him at the time cos his dad had died and then his mum went into hospital

These schools often had a very hard regime