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26 Apr 2014 13:41 |
Hi I am looking for help with the family of Davina Barclay Brodie, b Burntisland, Fife, in 1876 Scottish records are not very plentiful on this site. I have found her in the 1891 census living in Kirkcaldy with her sister Jane and widowed mother Christina. As she has Barclay in her name I am hoping that her mothers maiden name was possibly Barclay or this was the name of her fathers mother? In the 1901 census she is married to William Hume Marshall and living in Dysart, Fife with their children James - my grandfather - and Christina. Know the 1901 is correct. Can't find any other records for any of them on genes reunited and freebmd seems to only have records for England and Wales. Any advice on looking for Scottish relatives would be much appreciated. Thanks
Jo :-D
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26 Apr 2014 14:01 |
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ for Scottish records including BMD. Although it is a pay to view site you can often get clues from free searches. You could look up her marriage - Scottish M certificates give a great deal more information, such as the mother's maiden name, than English/Welsh ones
Also try https://familysearch.org/ which is free.
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David
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26 Apr 2014 14:40 |
Thank you. Will see if I can join Scotland's people for a month and search. Jo
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Apr 2014 15:01 |
Jo you dont join Scotlands People its not a subs site
You purchase units on there and use the units to look at transcriptions and certs before c1911 .after that you cant view online but can purchase a cert through them at £10 each
It costs 1 unit to view the transcription and 5 units to see the actual record
think you buy in units of 30 for about £6.95 .not sure of the actual as its some time since I bought BUT its very reasonable
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David
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26 Apr 2014 17:09 |
Thanks. This is getting expensive ! Jo
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Apr 2014 19:12 |
Genealogy isnt cheap I am afraid , Dread to think how much I have paid out in 12 years looking and buying for info etc
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Eringobragh1916
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26 Apr 2014 20:42 |
Jo ...Could this be Davina's sister Jane.....only one coming up with mother Christina (Burntisland).....
Jane Brodie, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950" Name: Jane Brodie Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Mar 1870 Birthplace: BURNTISLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Brodie Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Christina Davidson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11411-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516 Reference ID:
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26 Apr 2014 20:47 |
This is the marriage of James and Christina...just in case they prove to be Davina's parents.....
Name: James Brodie Spouse's Name: Christina Davidson
Event Date: 11 Aug 1869 Event Place: Burntisland,Fife,Scotland Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11411-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 6035516
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alviegal
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26 Apr 2014 22:02 |
Here is that 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name DIVINA B Last Name BRODIE Relationship DAUGHTER Condition - Gender Female Year Of Birth 1876 Age 15 Occupation LINEN FACTORY WORKER Birth Town - Birth County FIFE Birth Place SCOTLAND House Name - Street MARKET STREET Town - Parish KIRKCALDY City - County Fife Registration District KIRKCALDY & ABBOTSHALL
CHRISTINA BRODIE HEAD 1836 55 Transcription JANE BRODIE DAUGHTER 1870 21 Transcription GEORGE NESS SON 1868 23
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26 Apr 2014 22:05 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name CHRISTINA Last Name BRODIE Relationship WIFE Condition MARRIED Gender Female Age 32 Occupation LABOURER WIFE Year Of Birth 1839 Birth Town NEWPORT Birth Place SCOTLAND Birth County FIFE House Number - House Name SHORE Street - Parish BURNTISLAND Town BURNTISLAND City - County Fife Country SCOTLAND Registration District BURNTISLAND Archive Reference RG10
JAMES BRODIE HEAD 25 1846 CARNBEE Transcription ALEXR NESS SON 9 1862 CARNBEE Transcription GEORGE NESS SON 3 1868 BT ISLAND Transcription JANE NESS DAUGHTER 1 1870 BT ISLAND Transcription JOHN NESS SON 5 1866 KILCONQUHAR Transcription WM NESS SON 7 1864 KILCONQUHAR
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name CHRISTINA BRODIE Last Name NESS Relationship HEAD Condition WIDOW Gender Female Age 40 Year Of Birth 1841 Occupation - Birth Town PRATICE LARGO Birth County FIFESHIRE Birth Place - House Number 63 House Name - Street MARKET STREET Town KIRKCALDY Parish KIRKCALDY County Fife Country SCOTLAND Registration District KIRKCALDY
ALEXANDER NESS SON 19 1862 E KELLIE CARNBEE Transcription >>DEVINA BARCLAY NESS DAUGHTER 5 1876 BURNTISLAND Transcription GEORGE NESS SON 13 1868 BURNTISLAND Transcription >>JANE BRODIE NESS DAUGHTER 11 1870 BURNTISLAND Transcription JOHN NESS SON 15 1866 EDINBURGH Transcription WILLIAM NESS SON 17 1864 EDINBURGH
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alviegal
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26 Apr 2014 22:16 |
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name CHRISTINA Last Name NESS Relationship WIFE Condition MARRIED Gender Female Age 23 Year Of Birth 1838 Occupation PLOUGHMAN WIFE Birth Town MARKINCH Birth County FIFE Birth Place SCOTLAND House Name E KELLIE Street - Parish CARNBEE Town - City - Registration District CARNBEE County Fife Country SCOTLAND
JOHN NESS HEAD 28 1833 CULTS
spouse: Christina Davidson Name John Ness Birth Date Birthplace Age >>Spouse's Name Christina Davidson Spouse's Birth Date Spouse's Birthplace Spouse's Age Event Date 24 Nov 1860 Event Place Carnbee,Fife,Scotland
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alviegal
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26 Apr 2014 22:22 |
John Ness
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 6 February 1866 KILCONQUHAR,FIFE,SCOTLAND father: John Ness mother: Christian Davidson
William Ness
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 30 March 1864 KILCONQUHAR,FIFE,SCOTLAND father: John Ness mother: Christian Davidson
George Ness
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 11 December 1867 BURNTISLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND father: John Ness mother: Christian Davidson
Alexander Ness
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 3 March 1862 CARNBEE,FIFE,SCOTLAND father: John Ness mother: Christian Davidson
All from familysearch.
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David
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26 Apr 2014 23:05 |
Wow Thank you all so much. Just when I thought I had it all nicely worked out all these confusing children appear!!!! :-S This Christina Davidson, my great great grandmother was quite a girl. So far she was born C 1838 in Fife. Married John Ness in 1860. Then all the children called Ness. He died in 1868 and she married James Brodie in 1869. In the 1871 census there are five children all called Ness but Jane was born after john ness's death and I can find her birth registered with the new husband James Brodie as the father. By 1881 Christina is a widow - don't know when James Brodie died - and her daughter Jane has Brodie Ness as her name and another daughter Devina Barclay Ness has appeared even though she was born after both husbands died! Someone has found a record for her which shows that she was the illegitimate daughter of Christina Brodie, a widow formerly Davidson and a seaman David Barclay. Both parents were present at the registration of the birth. So, totally confused as you can imagine! Guess my great granny was illegitimate and my great granny a player! Incidentally she lived until 1929 dying aged 90 and I have some amazing photographs of her. Thank you all for taking the time to search and help me out <3 Jo :-D
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26 Apr 2014 23:31 |
Jo .Christina was not married to James Brodie long as he died in 1871,..... :-0,
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David
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27 Apr 2014 00:54 |
Sadly, Just found his death certificate, married 1869 he died in 1871 aged 25. Some of the old certificates are very hard to read and cost 5 credits on Scotland's people. Could do with the transcription rather than the real thing but have not worked out how to do that! Odd thing is on the death certificate it looks as if it says married to Christina Ness MS Hood and I thought she was MS Davidson and again on the marriage certificate though she is down as Christina Davidson her mother looks as if she is MS Hood Head spinning. May see if you can access the records for real in Edinburgh. Jo :-0
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27 Apr 2014 07:46 |
Jo ,
You can access all manner of records in person at.
Scotlandpeople Centre. 2,Princes St Edinburgh. 0131--214 4300.
pre-booking is a must.
costs are---£15 for a days pass.
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David
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27 Apr 2014 11:19 |
Kay Will certainly do that as I am using up credits in Scotland's people web site and not getting far. Where did you find the illegitimate birth of Davina Barclay Brodie? Could not find it online and not sure where to find what you sent me. Thanks Jo <3
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27 Apr 2014 12:38 |
Jo This is the John Ness and Christina...(1861 Census)..also ?some family of John....Dont know if it helps ....
1861 Fife : 413 Carnbee Surname Forenames Age Place of birth Bk Pge Sch 1861 Fife : 413 Carnbee Ness James 6 FIF Carnbee 2 16 83 Ness James 56 FIF St Monance 3 5 25 Ness Janet 15 FIF Carnbee 3 5 25Ness Catherine 3 FIF Carnbee 2 16 83 Ness Charlotte 53 FIF Pittenweem 3 5 25 Ness Christina 23 FIF Markinch 2 4 20****** Ness Emily 21 FIF Carnbee 3 5 25 Ness Isabella 27 FIF Carnbee 3 7 35 Ness John 28 FIF Cults 2 4 20 ******* Ness Margaret 39 FIF Cupar 2 16 83 Ness Robert 30 FIF Pittenweem 2 16 83
As you can see they have nos at the end ..that is the ref from the Census...I dont have access to check it all out but as you can see both John Ness and Christina Ness have same details
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