Genealogy Chat

Ken - no need to apologise. Its always useful to be made aware of previous threads.

Considering the time lapse, Roy may have taken a break from FH and forgotten that the threads existed. :-)

Apologies for not adding to my post yesterday.

I didn't deliberately set out to look for duplications, I was looking for the other recent Prout thread that I had seen on General a few days ago and did a quick search on Prout.

I have several Prouts in my tree but they are mostly in Cornwall

Ho hum

Roy - if you are looking in.

Look to the left of the page. Under 'Tools' is the link to 'My Threads'. That will take you to a page listing all the threads you have started ir posted on.

Please......even if you've taken a break from FH do check that you haven't asked for the same help before.

If you need clarification, or even disagree with the findings, then add to an existing thread. May be you're hoping something new as surfaced? Don't start a new one, just add to the original something like "still searching". All that otherwise happens is that other people cover the same ground.

EDIT - PM just in from Roy @ 00:05. he going to send for Rosina's MC

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1198400
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1214706
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1198400

Just realsed

Neither the Mabel Kewan 1902 - 1936 nor the one 1915 - 1962 can possibly be either of the ones on the 1891 census. Stoopid me :-|
Unless that census fits in with your prior knowledge, it has no direct relationship & should be ignored

So it comes back to - what details do you have of 'your' Mabel please? Has the death gro index been posted??

Thank You for all your help :-)

They seem to be mother and daughter - 1891 census from GR

Street SAXONY ROAD
Parish WEST DERBY
Town
City LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District ST MARY THE VIRGIN WEST DERBY
Enumeration District 16
Municipal Ward WEST DERBY
Parliamentary Borough WEST DERBY
Registration District WEST DERBY

Person 1
First Name RICHARD
Last Name STEELE
Birth Year 1834
Age 57
Birth County ISLE OF MAN
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household FATHER IN LAW
Gender Male
Occupation SAILMAKER
Condition WIDOWER

Person 2
First Name JOHN
Last Name STEELE
Birth Year 1869
Age 22
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household BROTHER
Gender Male
Occupation BOOK KEEPER
Condition SINGLE

Person 3
First Name HELEN
Last Name STEELE
Birth Year 1873
Age 18
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SISTER IN LAW
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition SINGLE
Archive Reference RG12

Person 4
First Name RICHARD
Last Name STEELE
Birth Year 1875
Age 16
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household BROTHER IN LAW
Gender Male
Occupation PLUMBERS APPRENTICE
Condition SINGLE

Person 5
First Name JAMES G
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1855
Age 36
Birth County
Birth Town
Birth Place IRELAND
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender Male
Occupation BOOK KEEPER
Condition MARRIED

Person 6
First Name MABEL A
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1863
Age 28
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition MARRIED

Person 7
First Name MABEL
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1882
Age 9
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Occupation SCHOLAR

Person 8
First Name ETHEL
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1885
Age 6
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female
Occupation SCHOLAR

Person 9
First Name HAROLD
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1887
Age 4
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender Male

Person 10
First Name GERTRUDE
Last Name KIRWAN
Birth Year 1889
Age 2
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Town
Birth Place
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender Female

On the basis that Mabel Jr's father was the head of the household, one could assume that her mother's maiden name was Steele. Richard Steele is named as the father in law

MABEL KIRWAN - Which one??


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name MABEL
Last Name KIRWAN
Gender Female
Year 1936
Birth Year 1902
Birth Month
Birth Day
District FYLDE
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Event Quarter 1
District Number
Page 1073
Line Number 2
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name MABEL
Last Name KIRWAN
Gender Female
Year 1961
Birth Year 1915
Birth Month
Birth Day
District LIVERPOOL SOUTH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 10D
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 504
Line Number 129
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

Sorry - not finding a Dennis Prout on Liverpool/Lancs census. The ones that are available are for a person living in Kingsclere, Hampshire!

There is this, but it doesn't 'feel' right.

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946 about Denis Prout
Name: Denis Fredk. Prout
Street address: 3 Eaton close 12
Occupation: manager
Publication Title: 1938 Kelly's Directory of Liverpool and suburbs
County: Lancashire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1938

If you haven't already, it might be worth purchasing Rosina's MC to see what details are given for her father.

Back-tracking to try and find Rosina's father.

William Mercer's probable marriage to Lavinia. Strange that she was using Lowery as a surname unless she wasn't actually married to a (Dennis) Prout!

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Lowrey Lavinia W .Derby 8b 734
Mercer William W. Derby 8b 734

Version from LancsBMD

MERCER William LOWREY Lavinia Kirkdale, St. Aidan Liverpool 2015WD/2/285

If the baptism is correct, this might be 1901 census

1901 England Census about Rosina Prout
Name: Rosina Prout
[Rosina Mercer]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Mercer
Mother: Rosina Mercer
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 89 Seacome St
Occupation: None given
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3474
Folio: 139
Page Number: 58
Household schedule number: 331
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mercer 57
Rosina Mercer 46
Rosina Prout 22
Arthur Jones 11
Rosie Jones 3

1911 England Census about Rosina Prout
Name: Rosina Prout
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Liverpool
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: House Work Domestic
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 22491
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mercer 66
Lavenia Mercer 54
Rosina Prout 32
Rosina Fones 13 - William's niece

Great Help Thank You :-)

Could the age at death be wrong? The information is only the what the informant believed to be the truth

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Rosina Prout (no image)

Name: Rosina Prout
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1878
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1879
Baptism Place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Denis Prout
Mother: Lavinia
FHL Film Number: 93899
Reference ID: yr 1879-1879 p 242

For our benefit

Deaths Dec 1958 (>99%)
HENRY Rosina 77 Liverpool N. 10d 126

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Rosina Prout
Name: Rosina Prout
Spouse Surname: Henry
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Toxteth Park:
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 297
Samuel Henry
Rosina Prout

From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1913

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROUT Rosina HENRY Samuel Toxteth Park, St. Clement Liverpool 2064TP/5/486

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl shows 4 Henry/Prout births between 1915 & 1921. The parameters were 1913-1930

I am searching for any information on Rosina Henry died 18th October 1958 - in Liverpool . She was married to Samuel Henry.

Also any information on Mabel Kirwan last lived in Allerton.
Thank You