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1851 Census Look up please for Philip Perham 1783 from Cullumpton and Mary, any help would be very much appreciated .Malcolm.

This one?

Name: Philip Perham
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1783
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Perham
Gender: Male
Where born: Cullompton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Bradninch
Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter
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County/Island: Devon
Country: England
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Registration district: Tiverton
Sub-registration district: Silverton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
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Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 1888
Folio: 152
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Perham 68
Mary Perham 72
Mary Ann Pollard 22


Chris

In 1861 he was a widower in the workhouse.

Chris

Hi Chrissie,thank you for your interest and reply unfortunately not the individual that I am looking for.On the 1861 census I found him birth Year 1782 Cullumpton Devon, Pauper , Widower, Martins lane Tiverton, unable to find him on 1851 Census.

May I ask how you know it is not the one you are looking for.

Chris

http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Cullompton/CullomptonBaptisms1778.html


10th March 1782, Philip son of Thomas Perram

Chris,The only information that I have on our Philip Perham is the following.On his Banns of Marriages in 1803 in Cullumpton his surname is Perriam, however on the Banns of Marriage Exeter, St Thomas the Apostle, and the Marriage Record his surname is down as Perham married to a Rebeccah Ellis.

I did find a burial for a Rebecca Perham Age 47 1823 in Butterleigh Devon, so this is why I think that the Philip Perham on the 1861 census may be the correct individual does that make sense.

So in your opening post you are not looking for Philip and wife Mary then ?

Chris

My reason for asking being,Philip had a daughter Mary Perham, (c) Abt 1811, Butterleigh Devon, and the only information that I had Philip Perham and Mary on a 1851 census.Being a senior citizen I apologize if I had confused you in helping me.

No need to apologise I just needed you to clarify for me. I perhaps should have asked the question before posting the 1851 census.

It does help others if you can add what the relationship is if you are asking for two or more people. It does seem strange that we can't find him. I take it you haven't found a marriage for his daughter Mary.

Chris

Hi Again.

Chris I agree it is strange.marriage found and also two children for Philip and Rebecca, Robert Perriam (C) 09/02/1806 Buttereligh, and Mary (C) 29/09/1811 Butterleigh, but no trace after that.As for the father of Phili being a Thomas Perram,I think that this may be a possibility.Thank you once again for all your help. Malcolm.

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Name: Elizabeth Perram
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Nov 1830
Christening Place: SILVERTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
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Father's Name: Robert Perram
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Mother's Name: Ann
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05168-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 916935
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Have you considered the possibility that the Philip in the 1861 census is the Philip I found in 1851.

The reason I ask is that I have found deaths in 1854 and 1859 in the Tiverton district for a Mary Perham either which could be the Mary married to the Philip in the 1851 census above so he could be the widower in 1861.

Could this be why we can't find your Philip in 1851 or have you been able to rule him out already

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1848 (>99%)
PERHAM Philip Tiverton &c 10 172

Chris

Hi Again. Thank both you Chris and safc for your further information. I will now try to obtain the Death record for Rebecca Perham that died in 1823 Butterleigh, as I am sure that this was the first wife of Philip Perriam / Perham.From your information it may be possible that Philip married twice, and you are correct that it could be him on the 1851 census and again on the 1861 census. I will now undertake some further research, your information has been a great help, thank you again. Malcolm.

Malcolm it may not be your Philip on either the 1851 or 1861 census. The death I found in 1848 may have been your Philip.

I have not found a marriage for the Philip in the 1851 census either.

Regards

Chris

Chris,On a visit to the Tiverton records office a few years ago the only Philip that I could find (B) or (C) in Cullumpton 1782/3 was a Philip Perrem, father as you have said Thomas Perrem. As regards to the marriage of Philip Perriam / Perham to Rebecca Ellis I have a record copy, unfortunately no name of his father on it but I am sure this is 100% correct.

In my records I have two dates for the possible death or burial for Philip, 1861 Tiverton and also 1864 Tiverton.I now intend to find out if Philip could have married twice, my next step.Chris it is so good of you continuing to help,its very much appreciated. Malcolm.