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can i find children from a marriage if i dont know the childrens names but know their parents names and how do i do it

Hello Carole.
If you know when and where the marriage took place you could look from that year onwards. Put in the surname and the mothers maiden name. I can have a look for you if you like

When and in what country were the children born, and why not ask the parents?

Thank-you

complicated!! my father edward henry scott 1st marriage to glayds not sure their marriage date my dad came from stoke on trent burslam, i know they had 3 children possibly 4 jean 1942,sydney1944 born in india callcutta sandra 1948 and micheal i think born in england possible colchester area thats is where my father was based in the army

Could this be their marriage in India:-

First Name EDWARD H
Last Name SCOTT
Year 1941
Place CALCUTTA
Country INDIA
Spouse Forename -
Spouse Surname -
Page 292
Line Number 57
Record Source GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)

Spouse's surname Carter.

Michael L. Scott born 1947 in Colchester.
Sandra E. Scott born 1948 in Colchester.

Kath. x

First name(s) JEAN G E
Last name SCOTT
Birth year 1942
Place CALCUTTA
Country INDIA
Page 175
Record source GRO Army Birth Indices (1881 to 1965)

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First name(s) SYDNEY E R
Last name SCOTT
Birth year 1944
Place CALCUTTA
Country INDIA
Page 217
Record source GRO Army Birth Indices (1881 to 1965)

Sadly

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First Name SYDNEY E R
Last Name SCOTT
Country INDIA
Record set British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005
Year 1944
Age At Death 0
Year Of Birth 1944
Page 48
Record Source GRO Army Death Indices (1881 to 1955)
Decoration -
Place CALCUTTA

GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955) Transcription
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First Name GLADYS
Last Name CARTER
Year 1941
Place CALCUTTA
Country INDIA
Spouse Forename -
Spouse Surname -
Page 292
Line Number 59

Returning with mother, Gladys 27 (army) to 80? Macclesfield St, Burslem, Staffs.


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Jean Scott
Name: Jean Scott
Birth Date: abt 1943
Age: 4
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 7 May 1947
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Empress of Scotland

these people are most likely still alive



should we be posting information such as this on the open internet?

It seems to me there are 2 likely Edward Henry Scotts:

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Scott Edward Henry Stoke T. 6b 200

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Scott Edward H Poole Wolstanton 6b 260

If you don't know his dad's name (either Alfred or Edward Henry) nor his age (which might be gotten from the GRO entry for his d.cert if you know when & where he died), then I think you'll need to buy a copy of his m.cert - I'm not familiar with army m.certs, but I presume that they contain this info, just like normal m.cers. You could buy the m.cert from the GRO with the details provided by KB above via:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

I favour the 1915 guy - it seems quite likely the Ed would name his son after his bro, but it's a bit of shaky guesswork to build a whole tree on.

One set of parents had several kids after 1911q3 (when the GRO index starts showing the mum's maiden surname) - the other had none.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
1911q3 SCOTT Sydney Poole Wolstanton 6b 318
1915q3 Scott Edward H Poole Wolstanton 6b 260
1918q1 SCOTT Hilda Poole Wolstanton 6b 178
1920q2 Scott Joan D Poole Wolstanton 6b 316
1921q4 Scott Percy G D Poole Wolstanton 6b 257
1923q3 Scott Joan Poole Stoke T. 6b 213

Deaths Sep 1921 (>99%)
Scott Joan 1 Stoke T 6b 145

These were found via a search at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
In almost any hit, there's a couple of embedded links - the RD (Stoke above) and the page # - clicking on the latter gets all the other names that index that page. One routinely does this for marr hits, as the spouse should index to the same page - but since there's usuaaly 2 or 4 m.certs on the same page, so should the names of other couples. E.g.:

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
EDWARDS Sarah Ellen Wolstanton 6b 212
POOLE Emma Wolstanton 6b 212
SCOTT Edward Henry Wolstanton 6b 212
WARRILOW Edward Wolstanton 6b 212

Here's Ed's 1st marr - got a thing for Emma's

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
Biddulph Elizabeth Hannah Stoke T. 6b 283
Brereton Emma Stoke T. 6b 283
Davidson William Stoke T. 6b 283
Scott Edward Stoke T. 6b 28

Here's the marr for your other potential grandad:

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
Durose James Stoke On Trent 6b 350
HAMBLETON Harriet Stoke T 6b 350
Sawyer Ellen Stoke T 6b 350
Scott Alfred Stoke T 6b 350

1911
Address 26 Newport Lane Burslem Stoke-On-Trent
Parish Burslem
Registration district Wolstanton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Subdistrict Burslem
Enumeration district 12
Census reference RG14
Census reference RG14PN16494 RG78PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED12 SN71

Edward Henrey Scott Head Married Male 39 1872 Potter's Sanitary Ware Caster Staffs Hanley
Emma Scott Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Staffs Cobridge
George Edward Scott Son Single Male 15 1896 Mould Runner Potters Staffs Fenton
Florence Ada Scott Daughter Single Female 13 1898 School Staffs Wolstanton
Doris Scott Daughter Single Female 11 1900 School Staffs Wolstanton
Lenard James Scott Son Single Male 6 1905 - Staffs Armitage
Nellie Scott Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Staffs Armitage
[marr 7 y; 2 live births; 2 still living]

1901
House number 53
House name -
Street Oxford Road
Parish Wolstanton
Town Village
County Staffordshire
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough Newcasle under Lyme
Registration district Wolstanton
Enumeration district 4
Series RG13 Piece number 2585 Folio number 88 Page 3

Edward H Scott Head Married Male 29 1872 Warehouseman (Pottery) Hanley, Staffordshire
Emma Scott Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Hanley, Staffordshire
George E Scott Son Single Male 5 1896 - Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Florence A Scott Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Doris Scott Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Hanley, Staffordshire
Geo Brereton Boarder Single Male 17 1884 Apprentice Potter Placer Hanley, Staffordshire

And t'other one:

1911
Address 18 Birch Street Hanley Stoke-On-Trent
Parish Hanley
Registration district Stoke upon Trent
County Staffordshire
Country England
Subdistrict Hanley
Enumeration district 16
Census reference RG14
Census reference RG14PN16526 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED16 SN9

Alfred Scott Head Married Male 43 1868 Sanitary Presser Stoke on Trent Staffs
Ellen Scott Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Stoke on Trent Staffs
Andrew Forest Scott Son Single Male 20 1891 Insurance Agent Stoke on Trent Staffs
William Henry Scott Son Single Male 18 1893 Sanitary Mould Maker Stoke on Trent Staffs
Mary Ellen Scott Daughter Single Female 13 1898 School Stoke on Trent Staffs
Frederick Samuel Scott Son Single Male 11 1900 School Stoke on Trent Staffs
Edward Henry Scott Son - Male 5 1906 School Stoke on Trent Staffs
Ada May Scott Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Stoke on Trent Staffs
[marr 23 y; 7 live births; 6 still living]

Now the GRO isn't the only place I can buy regular BMD certs. I can also buy them from the Register office that now holds the regos for the subdistrict or church where the event occurred. (I can even buy m.certs from the church involved if the entry's in the current rego book.). Some local indexes are online - see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
Of relevance here - http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

It's always worth checking a local index if one is available - the local ref contains information abt the subdistrict/church where the event took place - StaffsBMD decode this for you - sometimes it's possible to guess, like even if BUR wasn't decoded, Burslem is a reasonable guess, but guessing C30 is Wolstanton, St Margaret is really hard to figure, although the C prefix is often used for C of E churches (and J or S for synagogues, and Q or F for Quaker meeting houses, and RO for the registra's own rego, so pre-1898 a rego office or non-conformist marr). The 2nd item in a local ref is the rego # for that subdistrict/church, and the last item is a page # or entry # - for these births, it's a page # - they never go above 100, although there's 500 entries in every rego (at 5 per page for Bs/Ds & 2 per page for Ms). However, the Ms are entry #s, so one can tell who wed whom.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTT Edward H POOLE Emma Wolstanton, St Margaret Newcastle-Under-Lyme C30/16/144

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTT Edward BRERETON Emma Wellington, St Luke Stoke-On-Trent 36/06/032

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTT Alfred SAWYER Ellen Wellington, St Luke Stoke-On-Trent 36/04/220.

But the usefulness of local indexes doesn't end there. They can contain identifying info that's not in the GRO index (at least not at the time).

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1895 SCOTT Clement Douglas Shelton Stoke-On-Trent BRERETON SHE/099/031
1898 SCOTT Florence A Wolstanton Newcastle-Under-Lyme WOL/63/047
1899 SCOTT Doris Hanley Stoke-On-Trent BRERETON HAN/103/053

Staffordshire Death indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SCOTT Clement D - Wolstanton Newcastle-Under-Lyme WOL/029/56

Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
Scott Florence Ada Wolstanton 6b 93

Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%)
Scott Clement David 0 Wolstanton 6b 65



Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1889 SCOTT Alfred Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/079/025
1890 SCOTT Andrew Forest Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/082/010
1892 SCOTT William Henry Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/087/023
1897 SCOTT Mary Ellen Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/098/050
1899 SCOTT Frederick Samuel Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/103/025
1905 SCOTT Edward Henry Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/123/089
1908 SCOTT Ada May Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SAWYER HAN/134/096


Actually, this index originally didn't have the mum's maiden surnames, and they're being retro-fitted, subdistrict by subdistrict - if one checks their update pages, one regularly sees stuff like:
17 February 2014 Births: Replaced 7,522 for Tunstall, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1882-1928) for corrections and to add mother's maiden names

Carole has Edward Scott, 1915, Stoke On Trent, in her tree on here.
It was information about the children that she was after.

thank you all for all this imput it has been most helpful some of which i knew and some that was a revalation to me thank you once again!!

Carole - I had some older stuff on the families but it was getting a bit remote from the kids you asked abt, so I didn't post it. However, it's done, so even if you have most of it, maybe there's something of value there.

I'm now assuming the 1915 Ed is the one of interest.
Earlier I posted Alf's 1911 twice, and missed Ed's - I've fixed this now.

Using
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

Re 1894 marr - there's 2 indept transcriptions, one with details (excl witnesses) but no date, and the other with date but no details:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXN3-5SP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJBZ-D2X
1858
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXX2-B6L

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1859 SCOTT William Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/025/047
1861 SCOTT John Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/028/020
1863 SCOTT Frederick Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/031/035
1864 SCOTT George James Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/034/006
1866 SCOTT Mary Jane Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/037/056
1868 SCOTT Alfred Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/040/008
1870 SCOTT Charles Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/044/058
1870 SCOTT Edward Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/044/058
1872 SCOTT Edward Henry Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/047/095
1874 SCOTT Joseph Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/052/090
1875 SCOTT Arthur Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/056/009
1877 SCOTT Thomas Shelton Stoke-On-Trent HEATLEY SHE/060/008

StaffsBMD only has N-u-L deaths, nothing from S-o-T.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTT Frederick HEATLEY Mary Hope, Holy Trinity Stoke-On-Trent 17/01/082

1881
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VY-C67
[Sub-registration district: Shelton
Mary a=41 is a W]
1871 - bit skimpy on details
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5RY-RM9



1901
House number 16
House name -
Street Windmill Street
Parish Tunstall
Town Tunstall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Municipal ward North
Parliamentary borough Newcastle under Lyme
Registration district Wolstanton
Enumeration district 25
Series RG13 Piece number 2592 Folio number 55 Page 2

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Marsh Head Married Male 68 1833 Stock Taker In Iron Works Brown Edge, Staffordshire
Martha Marsh Wife Married Female 67 1834 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
James M Bradbury Grand Son Married Male 23 1878 Labourer In Iron Works Burslem, Staffordshire
Alice A Bradbury Grand Daughter Married Female 21 1880 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Emma Poole Grand Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Thomas R Poole Grand Son - Male 12 1889 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Leonard Poole Grand Son - Male 9 1892 - Burslem, Staffordshire
James M Bradbury Great Grand Son - Male 1 1900 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
Jane E Bradbury Great Grand Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
[Registration Sub-District: Tunstall]

The censuss above is an FMP/GR lookup - one would really like to know the subdistrict (Ancestry tells you), so go to:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/
and search for rg13/2592 to find out

1891
Street Remer Street
Parish Burslem Cobridge Sneyd Green
Town -
City Burslem
County Staffordshire
Country England
Municipal ward East
Parliamentary borough Hanley
Ecclesiastical district Cobridge
Registration district Wolstanton
Enumeration district 25
Series RG12 Piece number 2165 Folio number 82 Page 37

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Marsh Head Married Male 58 1833 Stock Taker At Iron Works Staffordshire, Leek
Martha Marsh Wife Married Female 57 1834 - Tunstall, Staffordshire
William Marsh Father Widower Male 71[78] 1820 - Staffordshire, Leek
Richard E Poole Son In Law Married Male 41 1850 Gate Maker Hanley, Staffordshire
Hannah Poole Daughter Married Female 34 1857 Dressmaker Goldenhill, Staffordshire
James M Bradbury Grandson Single Male 15 1876 Office Clerk Pattern Cobridge, Staffordshire
Emma Poole Granddaughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Cobridge, Staffordshire
Thomas Poole Grandson - Male 2 1889 - Cobridge, Staffordshire
Ruth A Poole Granddaughter - Female 0[11d] 1891 - Cobridge, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Judge Boarder Single Female 22 1869 Thimble Sorter Stilt ? Birmingham


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MARSH William MAINWARING Martha Wolstanton, St Margaret Newcastle-Under-Lyme C30/5/457

1855 MARSH Hannah Tunstall Stoke-On-Trent MAINWARING TUN/022/096
1860 MARSH John William Tunstall Stoke-On-Trent MAINWARING TUN/033/022


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MARSH Joseph SHIPLEY Jane Ann Civil Marriage (Wolstanton) Stoke-On-Trent WRO/02/089.

1854 MARSH Emily Burslem Stoke-On-Trent SHIPLEY BUR/022/078
1856 MARSH Elizabeth Burslem Stoke-On-Trent SHIPLEY BUR/027/013
Maybe:
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MARSH Elizabeth SCRAGG John Goldenhill, St John Stoke-On-Trent 11/1/227.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXXX-PVK


House number 42
House name -
Street America Street
Parish Wolstanton
City or borough Stoke upon Trent
Town Tunstall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Ecclesiastical disctrict Christ Church Tunstall
Parliamentary borough Stoke upon Trent
Registration district Wolstanton
Enumeration district 8h
Series HO107 Piece number 2002 Folio 673 Page 53

William Marsh Head Married Male 38 1813 Ag Labourer Horton, Staffordshire
Hannah Marsh Wife Married Female 39 1812 Housewife Leek, Staffordshire
Joseph Marsh Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Coal Miner Leek, Staffordshire
William Marsh Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Employed At Ironworks Leek, Staffordshire




1881 POOLE William George Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/081/005
1882 POOLE Florence Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/083/009
1883 POOLE Emma Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/086/015
1886 POOLE William George Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/091/098
1887 POOLE John Cowden Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/094/084
1889 POOLE Thomas Richard Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/099/022
1890 POOLE Ruth Annie Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/102/028
1891 POOLE Leonard Burslem Stoke-On-Trent MARSH BUR/105/087

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
POOLE Henry MARSH Emily Civil Marriage (Wolstanton) Stoke-On-Trent WRO/19/044

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MARSH Hannah BRADBURY James D Cobridge, Christ Church Stoke-On-Trent 6/3/166.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX65-JWP

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
POOLE Richard Ellis BRADBURY Hannah Etruria, St Matthew Stoke-On-Trent 9/03/216.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX65-JWP

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
POOLE Richard Ellis EARDLEY Alice Hope, Holy Trinity Stoke-On-Trent 17/05/061.

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Just thinking, it's a standard PC thing, but some folk are unaware.
Suppose I've got a list of files or dates or whatever (dates on StaffsBMD is the one that triggered this).
Suppose I want to highlight one - I click on it - if I change my choice, I click on the new pick and the old one is deseleccted (sort of like radio buttons).
Now suppose I want a contiguous block, like 1861-1891. I click on 1861, scrll doen to 1891, hold the shift key down, and click on 1891.
If I just wanted 1861 & 1891, and nothing in between, I click on 1861, scroll to 1891, hold down the ctrl key and click on 1891. This is really of more use if I want to select some files to copy or delete, but not a block of them, or some counties to search, like Cornwall & Devon - there seems little point in including the intermediate counties of Cumberland & Derbyshire.

just to let every body know i have found my half sister Sandra just spoken to my nephew on the phone for the first time thanks to everyone of you who helped me with information xxxxx so happy

That's wonderful news Carole, thanks so much for sharing it.

I know we all like to hear when the information supplied has been helpful and, in your case, has manged to connect you with living family.

Makes it all worth while. :-D :-D