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Hi all, I'm looking to find the family of Henry Edwards, his father was Arthur but I do not have his Mothers name. I found him at the age of 8 living with his auntie and uncle living in Liverpool. I'm really struggling to find his parents or siblings so any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Denise

Is this him in 1881...?

Name: Henry Edwards
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 435 Stanley Road

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3683
Folio: 89
Page Number: 42

Household Members: Name Age
Mary Lee 53 ...widow
William Lee 22
James Lee 17
Henry Edwards 8

Was Arthur named on Henry's marriage certificate?

If so, what was his occupation and who were the witnesses please?

Gwyn

what else do you know about him?

How did you get back to Henry?

here he is in 1891 .............living with James


1891 Census

Name: Harry Edwards
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 45

James Lee 26 b.ca 1864, Bolton, Lancashire, Steam Ship Stoker
Elizabeth Lee 24
Wm Lee 2
Harriett Tharp 19 Sister-in-Law
Harry Edwards 18 Ship Labourer
Alfred Rayner 20 Boarder



from the 1881 Census

Name Age
Mary Lee 53 b.ca 1828, Liverpool, Widower
William Lee 22 b.ca 1859, Liverpool, Marine Fireman
James Lee 17 b.ca 1864, Liverpool, Seaman
Henry Edwards 8

if he truly was born in halifax ....................


this could be his birth certificate


You need to buy this to find out the names of his aprents.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harry Edwards

Name: Harry Edwards
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Halifax
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 494

he seemingly sometimes went by the name "Harry" ......... not unusual!


1911 Census

Name: Harry Edwards
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 67 Shelley Street Bootle
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Marine Freman
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle

Harry Edwards 37
Alice Edwards 38
Henry Edwards 13
Elizabeth Edwards 10
Albert Edwards 7
Dorthy Edwards 4

Their marriage:

Henry Edwards (labourer)
Birth Year:abt 1872
Age:24
Marriage Date:27 Sep 1896
Parish:Bootle, St Leonard
Spouse's Name:Alice Ashcroft
Father's Name:Arthur Edwards (dec, joiner)
Spouse Father's Name:William Ashcroft (dec. farm labourer)
Reference Number:283 LEO/3/1

Both gave address of 108 Moore street
Witnesses Archibald Fleming and Esther Wilson

Alice seems to switch between Alice and Mary Alice - one of their christenings:

Dorothy Edwards
Birth Date:15 Sep 1906
Baptism Date:18 Sep 1906
Parish:Bootle, St Leonard
Father's Name:Henry Edwards
Mother's name:Mary Alice Edwards
Reference Number:283 LEO/2/5

Father a labourer, of 14 Wordsworth street.

just fiddling around trying to get information


eg, what was Mary Lee's maiden name? Could that lead us to Henry's possible parents?


Henry is staying with James and Elizabeth Lee in 1891

That James is probably the son of Mary Lee, shown in the 1881 Census


This looks like James marriage ...............


England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about James Lee

Name: James Lee
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1866
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1890
Marriage Place: Walton-On-The-Hill, Lancashire, England
Father: John Lee
Spouse: Elizabeth Sharp
FHL Film Number: 1647989
Reference ID: no. 19, pg198-395





he says his father was called John Lee




another very common name :-(

Thank you all so very much :-)
Henry's father Arthur was a joiner he was already deceased when Henry married Mary Alice Ashcroft in 1896. I now need to research the Lee family to see if I can find Henry's mothers maiden name. Thank you all again x

Sorry Gwyn, I meant to say that Henry's father was listed on Henry & Mary Alice's marriage license as deceased and had been a joiner. The two witnesses on the license were related to Mary Alice, her half sister Esther Wilson and Esther's future husband Archibald Flemming.
Henry and Mary Alice are buried with my grandparents, their daughter Elizabeth Phillips and son in law Sidney Phillips in a cemetery in Liverpool. Didn't have a lot to go on, just snippets my Mum told me many years ago when I was small, as there are no surviving relatives of my Mums family now, I have no one to ask.
Thanks again.
Denise

So we need to find Arthur, - a joiner ( or similar) in 1871 and follow him......................

Nothing obvious yet.

Gwyn

Unfortunately ........................ father shown as deceased on a marriage certificate can mean no father exists

it was a common thing for illegitimate children to put "a' name for their father on their marriage certificate, and say he was deceased.

It hid the fact that they were illegitimate from the in-laws.




In any case, the presence of a father's name on any marriage certificate is not proof that there was a father ....................... no documents had to be shown to the vicar.

Yes I agree with Pat ,,,,, think the only chance of finding him is through the Lee family, that is if he was a real nephew.

I haven't had any luck finding the family though.

Flip .......


I haven't had any luck finding the Lee family before that 1881 Census ..... at least not together so that I can be sure that I have them!

It's pretty hopeless, the 1881 census show the Lees born Liverpool yet the 1891 shows James born Bolton - so we don't even know where they were actually from.

I think this is James in 1911, married 22 years 9 children 2 have died:

James Lee
Age in 1911:47
Estimated birth year:abt 1864
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Farnworth, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Seaforth
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:17 Alder St Lime Grove Seaforth
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Dock Labourer
Registration district:West Derby
Registration District Number:455
Sub-registration district:Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel:1
Piece:22300
Household Members:
NameAge
James Lee 47
Elizabeth Lee 43
William Lee 21
Ethel Lee 19
Alfred Lee 17
Ernest Lee 14
Elizabeth Lee 12
Albert Lee 8
George Lee 2

Plus some boarders. So it looks like they may have been from the Bolton area.

Thank you x