Genealogy Chat

Hello
No idea where to start with this, trying to help my sister-in-law find her mother's family.
Last name is Morsack and all we have are the marriage cert which took place in London. Also have an ID card dated 1947 showing came from Bavaria, Germany.
Totally at loss how to access records for that area, or passenger list which would have her record.
:-S

Carole

Hi Carole,
Maybe you can put her full name and whether she names a father on her marriage cert? Might be a start anyway!
I am assuming she has passed away?
Jan

I can see a marriage 1953, is that her?

If nobody on here can help, I wonder if this site might be useful? No doubt there are other resources too:

http://www.agfhs.org/site/index.php

Jan

Do you have a death date for her?

Thank-you

Added:
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Herta Madelina De Maria
Birth Date: 1928
Date of Registration: Sep 1975
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 0668s

Hello one and all
Yes I have marriage cert for 1953 names her father as Ludwig Morsack, he was a locksmith.
Herta's ID card has this on it
ID no A 16530
Expires 25th June 1951
Name Morsack first name Herta
DOB 12/05/1229
place of birth Schnaittenbach, Bayern
Occ lady help
This was signed 25th June 1946

I'll check with my sis-in-law about info for death.
I just know she died when my sis-in-law was 17 but your date would put my sis-in-law younger than that so will find out.

Thank you all for your prompt assists

You have Ludwig as born 1882 in your tree, any particular reason for this year, or just a guess?

Added:
There are various entries in ancestry for Ludwig Morsack, 1882.

Were there any other members of her family over here at all?
Jan

Hello patchem and Jan
Got some more info from my sis-in-law, her brother feels that Ludwig was born 1900 so changed the DOB. Herta did have younger sisters and they were "teased" at school for having a Polish Jewish name. Was spelt Morsach then.
One of the sisters married a Max Mesmer (no idea why he recalls his name but not the sister) and they had a daughter called Claudia.
Story was Ludwig, Herta's father was "killed in action" all murky as those times were full of events people wanted to forget or only tell tell certain aspects, perfectly understandable.
Passed the link to my sis-in-law thanks Jan
:-)

Hi Carole

Is this the marriage?


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005


Name:Herta M Morsack

Spouse Surname:De Maria

Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1953

Registration district:Westminster

Inferred County:Middlesex

Volume Number:5c

Page Number:678

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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name:Herta Madelina De Maria

Birth Date:1928

Date of Registration:Sep 1975

Age at Death:47

Registration district:London City

Inferred County:London

Volume:14

Page:0668s

Is this the death of her husband?



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name:Angiolino Di Maria

Birth Date:3 Aug 1924

Date of Registration:Jan 1999

Age at Death:74

Registration district:Watford

Inferred County:Hertfordshire

Register Number:B45D

District and Subdistrict:5361B

Entry Number:235

You'll need to do an internet search for the nearest Archive to Schnaittenbach, Bayern then email them., preferably in German! Keep the sentences short and simple and use an on line translation site. If you also include the original Englsh version, if the German version has come out as gobbleydee goop, they could probably piece it together from that.

As this lady was born 1929, in normal circumstances she could have been considered to be living. As this is the case, you may need to send them copies of the MC and DC to prove her death. They may also require you to explain your relationship to her.

Have you considered asking for advice from an Anglo-German FHS such as http://www.agfhs.org/site/index.php

Try this 'contact us' link to Schnwaittenbach
http://www.schnaittenbach.de/kontakt.php

They may be able to give you details for the correct department

Yes Gins that info is what we've gleaned about Herta,not sure it's her husbands DC
as Angelo was 51 when he married Herta in 1953.He was a widower on the MC.

Thank you DetEcTive I've passed all your info to my sis-in-law for her to follow through.

:-)

Possibly this one?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Angelo De Maria
Birth Date: 8 Jul 1901
Date of Registration: Sep 1978
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2856

Was the birth of Claudia and the marriage of her parents in this country, as cannot see anyone fitting the description?

Quite patchem this info is from my sis-in-law's brother who's slow vague about the family. He's older so has more memories but reticent in obtaining info.
Anyway my sis-in-law is now going to write down all her family tree and join Ancestry
and follow up the Schnaittenbach links.
I don't think the the Morsack/Morsach line is findable in England till her mum Herta arrived here.
I've tried to find is there's a record of her on a ship to England I'm presuming from Bavaria as I'd assumed that's what the 1946 ID card enabled her to use for this purpose? However I draw blanks prob my lack of knowledge as never neede to research family from Europe.
thanks once again one and all :-)

Carole, have you considered using the Anglo-German FHS site I posted the link to? You need people with some knowledge of how things work over there, and hopefully there will there will be members with a knowledge of the German language too!
Good luck.
Jan

Yes Jan I passed all this to my sis-in-law so she can proceed we're both very grateful for all the suggestions :)