Genealogy Chat

Eringobragh.
You could well be right. I know that my gran´s brother converted before he married Maurice Kelly´s sister.

Gins.
That marriage looks good. Thank you.

And thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Wisechild...Given that St Edburgha's is Cof E it would suggest that it was perhaps a mixed marriage and Mary possibly "converted" later....

This lookslike the parents marriage, same occupation Commercial Traveller


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Mary Lean

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862

Age:29

Spouse: Daniel William (David on the image)

Spouse Age:28

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:12 Dec 1891

Parish:St Augustine, Paddington

Borough:Westminster

Father Name:Christopher Lean Farmer

Spouse Father:William William Carpenter

Wit: Frederick Eadles? & Ada?

Register Type:Parish Register

\here David gives his birth place as Ireland


1901 England Census

Name:David Williams

Age:37

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1864

Relation to Head:Head

Gender:Male

Spouse:Mary Williams

Birth Place:Betheria, Carlow, Ireland

Civil Parish:Hoole

Ecclesiastical parish:Hoole All Saints

County/Island:Cheshire

Registration district:Chester

Sub-registration district:Chester Cathedral

ED, institution, or vessel:21

Piece:3375

Folio:41

Page Number:35

Household schedule number:236

Household Members:


David Williams 37
Mary Williams 38
Mary H Williams 8
Dorothy Williams 7
David M Williams 6
Maude Williams 3
Christine Williams 3
Cathaleen Williams 9 Months
Jesse Dunbar 15

1911 England Census

Name:Chistine Gladys Williams

Age in 1911:12

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1899

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Hoole, Chestershire, England

Civil Parish:Erdington

County/Island:Warwickshire

Street address:46 Cecil Rd Erdington <<<<<<<<<<

Marital Status:Single

Occupation:School

Registration district:Aston

Registration District Number:385

Sub-registration district:Erdinton

ED, institution, or vessel:22

Piece:18341

Household Members:



David Williams 47 Cardigam Nantcwnlle
Mary Williams 47 St Kew, Corwall
Mary Myfanwy Williams 18 Fulham, London,
Dorothy Williams 17 Fulham, London,
David Montague Williams 16 Fulham, London
Mice Maude Williams 12 Hoole, Chestershire,
Chistine Gladys Williams 12 Hoole, Chestershire,
Kathaleen Vira Williams 10 Hoole, Chestershire,
Margarita Williams 3 Birmingham
Thadora Williams Birmingham

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955

Name:Mary Myfanwy Williams

Year:1930

Ward or Division/Constituency:Erdington

Street address:46 B0

Residence Place:Birmingham


At the same address of 46 Cecil Road is:

Mary-J Williams
Christine Gladys Williams
Kathleen Williams
Margreita Vera Williams
Mary Myfanwy Williams


Mary J Williams appears in 1920 at the same address but she is alone

Yes, I have all the marriage details including the GRO ref. The info on Ancestry just shows the banns, not the actual marriage details, from which I was hoping to confirm the name of the bride´s father (I already have all the family info for the groom))& I think I know who the bride´s parents were, but if I have the right chap, his place of birth changes with every census so I need to find some confirmation.
Mind you, wouldn´t have thought there would be many David Williams who would call their daughter Mary Myfanwy.
Some censuses say he was born in Ireland & I know that the Kelly family were staunch catholics, so would have expected the marriage to be in the catholic church.
It´s not an important enough link to warrent the expense of sending for certs which is why I was hoping to find the actual marriage details on line.

Thank you all for looking.

Despite being RC, perhaps the additonal cost of a Registrar made it easier to marry in CoE?

Very few RC marriages are on line - many Diocese won't allow them to be transcribed as they don't want the LDS Christening them retrospectively.

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937


Name:Mary Mytanwy Williams

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:26 Jun 1932

Marriage Place:Yardley, St Edburgha, England

Spouse:Maurice Kelley

Spouse Gender:Male

Reference Number:DRO 51

Archive Roll:544

The marriage cert will give the church details

Marriages Sep 1932
Kelly Maurice Williams Birmingham N. 6d 1123
Williams Mary M Kelly Birmingham N. 6d 1123


Do you know they did marry in the Catholic Church ?

I married in the Catholic Church with the registrar present and our marriage is on the GRO registers

I am c of e but we didn't put the banns up in my church as well as the Catholic Church where we married . We had to have the banns shown on the public board at the registry office as well as them being called at the Catholic Church

If your couple did marry then they would have a GRO ref .

Have a couple who were catholics who married in 1932, but have found banns called for them in the CofE church.
I know that catholic marriages had to have a registrar present, but why would the banns be call in a CofE church?
Cant´find the details of the cathilic marriage ceremony.
The marriage was between Maurice Kelly & Mary Myfanwy Williams & the banns were called in June 1932 at St Edburgha, Yardley Birmingham.