Genealogy Chat

thanks mgnv!


it does not make nonsense of what I posted ............


but i was mis-led by Rondog's own earlier posting, and didn't really take in what I had posted ...............


"Someone gave me a copy of the entry of the bans of John M and Ann Wood read on 6th, 13th and 20th November 1768 which throws out the info l get from GR that they were married on 25th September 1768 (2months earlier than the ban?? "



I guess that means that GR's information is wrong :-)

Rondog - Ancestry have images of both the banns & marriage for the 1768 marriage. Printing off those is the nearest you will get to a "hard copy" unless you contact the archives where they are stored and see if they can send you an image of what they hold, but it will not be any different to the image on Ancestry. If you want to search for images for the other events, it might be worth taking a free trial on Ancestry.

This is where the West Yorkshire records are held:

Original data: Yorkshire Parish Records. Leeds, England: West Yorkshire Archive Service.

Bans were 6th, 13th and 20th November.....................1768
The marriage was quoted as 25th SEPTEMBER........1768.

If and when I can get to a library that has all the Microfische records for the Martin (+ others) I'm hoping to find more info regarding John and his wife.

The fortunate part is that at least I have him in my tree.

What I have some doubts about are dob of
a) his father William circa 1717
b) his grandfather John defo 1687
c) his great grandfather Robert circa 1661
and finally
d) his great great grandfather Robert circa 1630

I intend to end my search with Robert Martin circa 1630.

I just hope my children will carry on the family search of their mothers lineage.

Rondog


ancestry has the marriage as 29 Nov ................ as I posted almost 2 days ago


SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 18 Oct 2014 00:56

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about John Martin

Name: John Martin
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1768
Marriage Place: Pontefract,York,England
Spouse: Ann Wood
FHL Film Number: 990759



which is why I suggested in a later post that GR is wrong


In fact, the records you see on GR are not their own transcribing .................... they have all been acquired from the sister site FindMyPast ............

......... and FMP may well have done their own transcription, and got it wrong.

It is very unlikely that you will see much more information on the microfiches .......... there was very little information given in the parish Registers of those days


It is rare that you see the name of the fathers, and rarely see more about the age of the bride or groom than "of full age" or "minor"

Mothers' surnames are rarely given on baptisms, and often their forenames are not given ................... although this can vary from church to church. Some vicars gave more information than others.

Rondog, I will PM you the images of John Martin & Ann Wood's Banns & Marriage. The marriage was very badly transcribed on Ancestry - Marlin instead of Martin and Wood Cote for Ann!!!

On 12 Oct I was detained in hospital for surgery and am due to undergo some further tests over the coming weeks which will mean that I wont be able to do a great deal with what you have already so kindly supplied. Please don't think that I'm ignoring you, I'm just feeling the effects of digging, prodding and being shoved from pillar to post.
Thanks gritty, potty, mgnv and SylviainCanada.

Rondog


good luck with whatever it is you are facing.

Take your time ........

....... and don't worry about us thinking you are ignoring us


Come back as and when you feel able

Hope all goes well for you, Rondog. You haven't ignored us - you have thanked us all. Hope it has helped.

I am happy with what you kind people have researched and supplied me with. This part of my tree is now ok. Thanks again folks,

Ron

Hi Ron

Good to see you back, and glad that you have completed this part of your tree

Ron - Re your earlier query "Is it possible that Ancestry have better info and perhaps I should "spend a few bob" and register with them. "

You could also check with your local library - my local library board has a "library licence" that permits users almost full access to Ancestry from all its branches.
3 of my 4 neighbouring boards have a similar licence. Almost full - I can't contact other Ancestry members is the only limitation I've come across.

My library has limits on PC usage - 2 one hour sessions per day, but there are enough PCs that there's never been a queue when my hour is up, so I can log straight back on again. I normally email to myself any images I've downloaded,
plus a file I create to accept pastes of transcriptions, etc, that I copy off the screen.

When l get a chance to go to the library, which unfortunately is not as often as I'd like, l will because l've listed some of the "oddities" that need clarification. However, is there a website that l can go on from my iPad that is "virtually free" similar to the library version of Ancestry.
I was talking to someone l met in Chesterfield who is looking into their family tree, but in a lot more detail than l can ever hope to do, and they are of the opinion that the info given by Ancestry in the library is not as "open" with info as when you are a "paid up" member. Are they wrong in their assumption?
Ron

I've already mentioned the only difference in the Ancestry versions I've come across.
I'ld be very interested (and surprized) by any details of differences to accessing the records.

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Periodically, Ancestry gives free access, usually to subsets of their records, e.g.,
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1361773

Sign up for Ancestry's (free) newsletter (or whatever they call it), and you'll get notified of these freebies.

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Leaving aside such freebies, there is limited free access to UK images.
Unlike, say Canada and the US where there is free access to all the older federal censuses, the only free access to UK censuses is for Ireland 1901/11 via:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Most City of Dublin parish registers are free online at:
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
[There are also Carlow, Cork & Kerry OPRs there too]

Scottish images are only accessible thru the pay to view SP site

I think all the free images from the rest of the UK are accessible via:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

However, like all non-census records, the coverage is variable
E.g., since you mentioned Chesterfield, all I see there is:

The collection "England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918"
includes images for Chesterfield Holy Trinity, viz:
Burials 1839-1875; Burials 1873-1900; Marriages 1876-1895 (vol 2).

Transcriptions are much more available - FS has the English & Welsh censuses, but the 1911 is not very useful.
Also, FS uses FMP's transcription, not Ancestry's - which can create problems.
If you have the census ref, then you can use this to do a free search on Ancestry or FMP, and see all the names on that page (but not full details for free), and guess how the other site has transcribed the name.

FMP has more accurate transcriptions than Ancestry, but FreeCEN is more accurate than both.
However FreeCEN's coverage is spotty (but listed). FreeCEN also provides the census ref, and allows one to look up by census ref.
FreeCEN also lets you view the next/previous household (repeatedly) with just a click.
However, the thing I like best abt FreeCEN is the layout of the transcription.
I copy every hit I get and paste it into a file(s).

I have a bookmark to FreeBMD's home page, and this has links to FreeCEN and FreeREG.
The latter is useful in supplementing FS, and especially useful for locating hits amongst FS's unindexed images.
One should also supplement FreeBMD's GRO index with a local index, when available, see"
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd