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Here is Ellen, with 2 children, in 1881, and an Ann Raynor living with her


Name: Ellen Martin
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripley, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Claylane
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Cross St

Occupation: Dress Maker
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Piece: 3428
Folio: 50
Page Number: 16

Ellen Martin 28
Ann Raynor 54 b.ca 1827, Nottinghamshire, Widower, Lodger, Seamstress
Ellen Martin 3
John B. Martin 1

Address:- Cross Street



Interesting that Ann describes herself as Widower on this Census, and Abraham says he is a Widower in 1891 :-S :-S


and here is John's baptism ..............


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about John Ben Martin

Name: John Ben Martin
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Jun 1879
Baptism Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Mother: Ellen Martin
FHL Film Number: 2080806
Reference ID: item 7 p 145

I beg your pardon?????



nowhere does it say that Abraham was William's father


In fact .......... the 1891 Census posted by greyghost says that William's mother was SINGLE


She is Head of the household, and Abraham Ragnor (or Rayner in 1901) is HER Stepfather, living with her.

as posted earlier by greyghost ...................


Is this your William1891? His mother is listed as single here as on image
England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cross Street, Claylane or Claycross, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Ellen Martin Head Single Female 39 1852 - Ripley, Derbyshire, England
John Martin Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Woodthorpe, Derbyshire, England
Florry Martin Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Willie Martin Son - Male 3 1888 - Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
John A Martin Brother Married Male 28 1863 Pipe Moulder Greenwich, Kent, England
Abraham Ragnor Stepfather Widower Male 64 1827 Pipe Moulder Sandiacre, Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Wragg Lodger Married Male 54 1837 Coal Miner Tansley, Derbyshire, England





so I guess you could say he was the children's Step grandfather



where did you get the information that Samuel was the father of William??

thankyou everyone, im so confused thought Samuel was Williams father, but here doesthis Abraham fit in???

There is this Army record, age is out a little but wife's name Emily Ann (As per poss marriage posted earlier.) They married 30.12.1911 in Chesterfield. Florence Eva shows as step daughter b Tamworth 1907 and the other children as theirs 1911, 1913 and 1914 all b Chesterfield
William served 64 days and was then discharged - not likely to become an efficient soldier

NAME: William Martin
GENDER: Male
BIRTH DATE: abt 1885
MARRIAGE DATE: 30 Dec 1911
MARRIAGE PLACE: Chesterfield
AGE: 29
DOCUMENT YEAR: 1914
RESIDENCE PLACE: 28 Prospect St Stomegralds, Cheslerfield Derby
REGIMENTAL NUMBER: 21328
REGIMENT NAME: Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment
FORM TITLE: Short Service Attestation
NUMBER OF IMAGES: 4
OTHER RECORDS: Search for 'William Martin' in other WWI collections
FAMILY MEMBERS: FAMILY MEMBERS:
NAME RELATION TO SOLDIER
William Martin Self (Head)
Emily Ann Martin Spouse
Florence Eva Martin Child
James Martin Child
Mary Ann Martin Child
Ellen Martin Child

Name: James Martin
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1911
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3): Dann
Volume: 7B
Page: 1382
Line Number: 49

Do you know who he married?

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British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about William Martin
Name: William Martin
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1885
Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1911
Marriage Place: Chesterfield
Age: 29
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: 28 Prospect St Stomegralds, Cheslerfield Derby
Regimental Number: 21328
Regiment Name: Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 4
Other Records: Search for 'William Martin' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
William Martin Self (Head)
Emily Ann Martin Spouse
Florence Eva Martin Child
James Martin Child
Mary Ann Martin Child
Ellen Martin Child

1911 England Census about William Martin
Name: William Martin
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Relative (Other Relative)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Clays Lane
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 25 Cross St Clay Cross
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration District Number: 438
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 21064
Household Members:
Name Age
James Brough 31
Florie Brough 27
John B Martin 32
William Martin 23
Ethel Martin 18
James Brough 2
Ellen Brough 4

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Name: William Martin
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1912
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Lilley
Volume: 7B
Page: 1618
Line Number: 93

William Martin probably married one of the following people
Name: Maud Lilley

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Name: William Martin
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1911
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Volume: 7B
Page: 1606
Line Number: 140

William Martin probably married one of the following people
Name: Kathleen M Bradshaw
Name: Emily A Dann

Name: William Martin
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Birthplace: Clay Cross, Derbyshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-District: Ashover
Parish: Clay Lane
County: Derbyshire

1901 England Census about Willie Martin
Name: Willie Martin
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Brother Son (Nephew) ** actually John's brother
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Claycross
Ecclesiastical parish: Claycross St Bartholomew
Town: Claycross
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3243
Folio: 97
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Martin 22
Ellen Martin 41
Florrie Martin 15
Willie Martin 13 <<<<<<<<<
Ethel Martin 8
Abraham Rayner 73
Samuel Martin 45 Single and listed as a boarder.

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Name: William Martin
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1967
Registration District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Event Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 79
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Volume: 3A
Page: 159
Line Number: 43

Name: William Martin
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 20 Apr 1888
Event Place: Clay Cross, Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Ellen Martin
GS Film number: 2080807 , Digital Folder Number: 004452600 , Image Number: 00034

Is this your William1891? His mother is listed as single here as on image
England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cross Street, Claylane or Claycross, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ellen Martin Head Single Female 39 1852 - Ripley, Derbyshire, England
John Martin Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Woodthorpe, Derbyshire, England
Florry Martin Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Willie Martin Son - Male 3 1888 - Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
John A Martin Brother Married Male 28 1863 Pipe Moulder Greenwich, Kent, England
Abraham Ragnor Stepfather Widower Male 64 1827 Pipe Moulder Sandiacre, Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Wragg Lodger Married Male 54 1837 Coal Miner Tansley, Derbyshire, England

where have you looked??


just to save us duplicating .............


have you looked on

ancestry
fmp
war departmet archives
online


or where?



You have to be aware that less than 30% of the records of WW1 servicemen survived WW2 ........... and the records that have survived are often damaged and / or incomplete


so you really are very lucky if you manage to find anything!

I am looking for military records on William Martin born 1888 in clay cross chesterfield his parents were Samuel and Ellen he was in the military and I've been told he was injured in the Somme, but we have no way of knowing for sure, I have searched all military records can find nothing anyone help please