Genealogy Chat

Does anyone know why I can find records on the Free BMD site, but my search on GR for the same person finds nothing!

In particular I am seeking a marriage of a Joseph Thomas Samuel to a Mary Davis in the December1925 quarter (St Olave's).

Equally, I can't find a death for Joseph either, but if he got killed in the war I guess it won't show on the GR records?
:-(

The marriage from Find My Past.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

Spouse's first name(s) -
Spouse's last name -
First name(s) JOSEPH T
Last name SAMUEL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1925
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOSEPH T SAMUEL married
MARY F DAVIS
Spouse's last name DAVIS
District ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 406

It is also showing on the index on GR. I can't access as I don't have the full subscription.

Is this Joseph Thomas, for our reference to get an age for him to help find a death record. Do you have any idea when he was last known to be alive?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21 Tissington St Rotherhithe, Bermondsey, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph W Samuel Head Married Male 38 1873 Essex General Labouer
Mary J Samuel Wife Married Female 37 1874 Bermondsey -
Ellen V Samuel Daughter Single Female 10 1901 Rotherhithe -
Joseph T Samuel Son - Male 8 1903 Rotherhithe -
Lillian R Samuel Daughter - Female 4 1907 Rotherhithe -
Charles E Samuel Son - Male 2 1909 Rotherhithe Surrey -

If correct chap above, then his birth registration. Do you have an actual DoB for him?

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH THOMAS
Last name SAMUEL
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. OLAVE BERMONDSEY
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 252

??
1 Joseph Thomas Samuel showing as born 1902 (St Olave) and 1 baptism 1902 (Birmingham). The baptism date falls before the birth so presume 2 different people!

There is this death which would make the St Olave one the correct age at death.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH T
Last name SAMUEL
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1902
Age 59
Death quarter 3
Death year 1961
District SIDCUP
County Kent
Volume 5B
Page 660
Country England

There is a Mary Frances Samuel death 1981 (b 1903) showing in Bromley, Kent

All England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


NAME: Joseph Thomas Samuel
PROBATE DATE: 17 Nov 1961
DEATH DATE: 6 Sep 1961
DEATH PLACE: London, England
REGISTRY: London, England


Joseph Thomas Samuel of 126 Beaconsfield Road, Mottingham, London died 6 Sept 1961
Administration London 17 November to Mary Frances Samuel, widow
Effects £43 11s 3d

War deaths will be found on the CWGC site.

I wouldn't bother with looking for info about anything on GR, if I were you

It could be that you are putting in too much info. Eg, using Joseph Thomas on freebmd to search for a death for the man mentioned in the probate record doesn't bring up a record but using just Joseph T does:

Deaths Sep 1961 (>99%)

SAMUEL Joseph T 59 Sidcup 5b 660

Thank you all so much for all your input. That's solved all that mystery.

I'm wondering if there was a glitch on the system yesterday, as I've just searched again just now and it came up on here straight away.

Thanks again.
:-)

HLH

The site (GR) has been delivering some oddities over the last couple of days!

Thanks Gins

....talking of which - it's that time of the evening for one!

;-)