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I am new to this and am struggling to start as I have too many names. I also have lots of trees written by others back to 1200's
How would anyone suggest I start to prove any of what is existing in these old trees
Also is everything in the archives "Fact" or will I be easily led astray?
Many thanks in anticipation
Richard standidge walton whitfield :-S

Hello Richard,

Really the only way to prove what is in trees you have found is to work through them . Checking all the details as you go, particularly if they are unsourced.

Start with what you know, your parents, grandparents etc and work back methodically through BMD certificates, the available census and then parish records .

There are some trees which have been well researched, but also many that are totally wrong and they are copied without any checks on accuracy.

PS. Freebmd.org.uk is a good starting point, for the marriage of your parents and ancestors back to 1837,

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
65 Albert Avenue Hull, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Samuel Standidge Walton Whitfield Head Married Male 53 1858 Hull Yorks Commercial Traveller Grocery Provisions
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Annie Whitfield Wife Married Female 44 1867 Middlesebrough Durham -
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Marie Standidge Walton Whitfield Son - Male 8 1903 Hull Yorks School
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Nanny Oliver Richardson Servant Single Female 14 1897 Walkington Near Socity Yorks General Servant Domestic

Cheers for replies it gives me a bit of a start there is just so much information to sift through.
The census above is part of my mob
Maris born 1903 was my grandfather and samuel married annie nee Nash
so at least that makes sense
thankyou :-)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Mason Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Whitfield Head Married Male 39 1822 Grocer Employing 9 Men & 1 Boy Yorkshire, England
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Mary L Whitfield Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Mathew W Whitfield Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Mary L Whitfield Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Emily Whitfield Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel S Whitfield Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
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George Whitfield Son - Male 0 1861 - Hull, Yorkshire, England
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George Whitfield Brother Unmarried Male 25 1836 Traveller Melbourne, Yorkshire, England
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Sarah J Eggleston Visitor Unmarried Female 31 1830 Governess Yorkshire, England
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Mary J Barnet Servant - Female 15 1846 Nurse Keyingham, Yorkshire, England
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Margaret Fallowfield Servant - Female 19 1842 Cook York, Yorkshire, England

Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
Whitfield Samuel Stand Edge Walton Hull 9d 177
Whitfield Samuel Standidge Walton Hull 9d 177
Whitfield Samuel Stand_ge Walton Hull 9d 177

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mason Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Whitfield Head - Male 49 1822 - Yorkshire, England
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Mary T Whitfield Wife - Female 47 1824 - Yorkshire, England
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George Whitfield Brother - Male 36 1835 - Yorkshire, England
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Matthew W Whitfield Son - Male 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England
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Mary T Whitfield Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England
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Emily Whitfield Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Yorkshire, England
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Samuel S W Whitfield Son - Male 13 1858 - Yorkshire, England
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George Whitfield Son - Male 10 1861 - Yorkshire, England
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Margaret P Whitfield Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Yorkshire, England
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Alice Whitfield Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Yorkshire, England
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Henry Whitfield Son - Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
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Charles Whitfield Son - Male 1 1870 - Yorkshire, England
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Annie Horsefield Servant - Female 18 1853 - Yorkshire, England
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Charlotte Sargent Servant - Female 17 1854 - Lincolnshire, England

Name: Matthew Whitfield
Birth Date: 1828
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Mary Thornton Walton
Spouse's Birth Date: 1828
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 12 Jul 1849
Event Place: York, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03471-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1470527
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX83-ZMD : accessed 31 January 2015), Matthew Whitfield and Mary Thornton Walton, 12 Jul 1849; citing York, England, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,470,527.

WOW
thats amazing
although the people tally with my hand written tree but most of the births are a year out..
Maybe thats why I couldnt find anyone as the dates didnt tally. I must be searching too acurately
Is the above fact and mine wrong.
Thankyou again :-D

Name: Mary Thornton Walton
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1824
Christening Place: SUTTON IN HOLDERNESS,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Samuel Standidge Walton
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10746-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 990849
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR7Q-LVV : accessed 31 January 2015), Mary Thornton Walton, 25 Jan 1824; citing SUTTON IN HOLDERNESS,YORK,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 990,849.

Name: Samuel Standidge Walton
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 May 1794
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,KINGSTON UPON HULL,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Walton
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10752-3
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 990838
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J716-XVK : accessed 31 January 2015), Samuel Standidge Walton, 20 May 1794; citing SAINT MARY,KINGSTON UPON HULL,YORK,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 990,838.

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Walton
Age 27
Birth year 1765
Residence parish Sutton
Residence county Yorkshire
Licence year 1792
Licence date 16 Jul 1792
Intended marriage place St Mary's, Hull
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Thornton
Spouse's age 20
Spouse's parish Hull
Spouse's county Yorkshire
Notes -
Document ordering http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form
Record sequence number 15
Page number 266
Record set Yorkshire, Archbishop of York Marriage licences index, 1613-1839
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, Worship Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Standidge Walton Head Married Male 56 1795 Landed Proprietor Sutton, Yorkshire, England
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Sarah Walton Wife Married Female 56 1795 - Sutton, Yorkshire, England
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Margaret Porter Walton Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Governess Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel Standidge Walton Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Tutor At A School Preston, Yorkshire, England
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Milcah G S Walton Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Governess Preston, Yorkshire, England
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George Harland Visitor Unmarried Male 11 1840 Scholar Burton Pidsea, Yorkshire, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Portland Place, Holy Trinity, Hull, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George W T Ward Head Married Male 31 1830 Landed Proprietor Barrow, Lincolnshire, England
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M G S Ward Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Preston, Yorkshire, England
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George F Ward Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
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Charles W Ward Son - Male 2 1859 - Sutton, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel S W Ward Son - Male 0 1861 - North Ferriby, Yorkshire, England
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H J F Young Brother Unmarried Male 23 1838 Traveller London, Middlesex, England
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Jane D Amson Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cook Ripon, Yorkshire, England
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Sarah S Wood Servant - Female 12 1849 Nurse Maid Hull, Yorkshire, England


Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALTON Milcah G S WARD George W T Christ Church Hull HCC/1/131

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15, Mansion Street, Camberwell, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Milcah S Ward Head Widow Female 45 1836 Income From Houses Preston, Yorkshire, England
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Chas W Ward Son Single Male 22 1859 Student Of Medicine Sutton, Yorkshire, England
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Jno A Ward Son Single Male 14 1867 Clerk Accountant Paull, Yorkshire, England
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Minnie S Ward Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Putney, Surrey, England

Many ages will show on a census as a year "out".

eg. Said to be 10 when the 1911 census was taken on 2 April 1911, the year of birth would be calculated by 1911-10 = 1901. However they could have been born anytime between 3rd April 1900 and 2nd April 1901 (so the odds are in favour of a 1900 birth.

Also with births, there was a 6 week window in which to register them, so if born c20th November 1900 (4th Quarter of the year or December Qtr), their birth might not be registered until the 1st Qtr or March Qtr 1901.

Peoples ages varied from one census to the next - forgetfulness, deliberate, good guess etc. Who could not forgive the mother trying to remember the ages of her 12 children!

With deaths, more recent records give a DOB, but don't forget that the information is only as good as it is known to the person giving it. And again age 80 at death, 1980- 80 = 1900, but could well be 1899.

It's always good to give a +/- 2 years when searching for records and go wider if nothing found within that range.

hi

one of mine was 10 years out on the census her husband was 10 years younger then her so i think she wanted to be the same age

i know it is the tight one as her mother is with her

so ages in all census can be way out
hope that help you a little bit

happy searching and good luck