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Angela...It may have been better to continue on you previous thread on Find Ancestors Board (2010)...would have saved duplicating info.already found..

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/bolton%20sisters/thread/1227865

Thank you all so much I'm positive that ellen and thomas were in Ireland of very good at this so thank you so much

Looks like Finnighan to me

Did you think they are Tinninghams or Finnighans - probably Irish Finnighans, wonder if connected by birth also?

Possible James E Finnigan in 1891 Scotland

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No, he still looks to be in Scotland in 1901.

Thanks Patchem- didn't realise you added the 1901

Just putting the Pierre family in 1901, husband away

Elizebeth Perrie
Age: 32 estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Piece: 4577 Folio: 106 Page Number: 11 Household schedule number: 58
Elizebeth Perrie 32 wife
William Walton (Bolton) 64 bro in law Ireland coal dealer widowed
Julius Perrie 6
William Perrie 3
David Perrie 1
James Tinnigham 10 adopted son Glasgow
Anne Tinnigham 8 adopted dau Glasgow

Added: Sorry, did you add that 1901 later, or was I not reading it, was looking for any further clues?

Added: Yes, but census does say Glasgow not Scotland, from your amended entry.

Who were witnesses to the marriage?

Perhaps they went back to Ireland for a time? (Note daughter Mary was born England)

1901: 10 in Walls Cottages (Mountjoy, Dublin)

Keogh Thomas 36 Male Head R Catholic City of Dublin Marine Stoker Married
Keogh Ellen 27 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Wicklow Married
Keogh Mary 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic England Scholar Not Married
Keogh Anne 58 Female Mother Roman Catholic City of Dublin Widow
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Possible for Ellen's sister and father: (note Julius has been crossed through on original)

1911:
Julius Pierre
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Street address: 42 Buck St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ships Stoker
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 29264
Household Members:

Julius Pierre Married 21 years, 7 children, 6 still living Ships stoker (crossed through)
Elizebeth Pierre 38 County Wicklow
Julius Pierre 16 Middlesborough
William Pierre 13 "
David Pierre 11 "
Lawerence Pierre 8 "
Elizebeth Pierre 4 "
Jane Pierre 1 "
William Bolton 76 Widow County Wicklow
Annie Beilly 18
Thomas Barry 24
David Barry 21
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1901:
Elizebeth Perrie Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Ireland
William Bolton Brother-In-Law Widower Male 64 1837 Coal Dealer Ireland
Julius Perrie Son Single Male 6 1895 - -
William Perrie Son Single Male 3 1898 - -
David Perrie Son Single Male 1 1900 - -
James Finnighan Adopted Son Single Male 10 1891 - Scotland
Anne Finnighan Adopted Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Scotland

Street Hutchinson Street
Parish Middlesbrough
Country England
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Municipal ward Cannon
Registration district Middlesbrough
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4577
Folio 106
Page 12

Have marriage certificate for ellen and thomas married 18th Jan 1890 st Mary's cathedral middlesbrough his dad was William keogh labourer and thomas was a fireman on a steamer Ellen's dad was William Bolton they were 21and20 I know that she appears in the 1891 census in the workhouse but there is nothing in the 1901 for any off them there was a rumour thomas died at sea ellen came to England with her sister Bessie who married a man called Jules Pierre who was also a seaman but I just keep drawing a blank in those 10 years frustrated

Have marriage certificate for ellen and thomas married 18th Jan 1890 st Mary's cathedral middlesbrough his dad was William keogh labourer and thomas was a fireman on a steamer Ellen's dad was William Bolton they were 21and20 I know that she appears in the 1891 census in the workhouse but there is nothing in the 1901 for any off them there was a rumour thomas died at sea ellen came to England with her sister Bessie who married a man called Jules Pierre who was also a seaman but I just keep drawing a blank in those 10 years frustrated

I think we need to know if Angela has the marriage cert for Mary Ellen and her parents

These are the only Keogh birth, marriages and deaths showing for Keogh on free bmd in Middlesborough from 1885 to 1911 (so no births for other Keoghs, etc)

Marriages Mar 1890
XXXXKeogh Thomas Middlesbro' 9d 712
Births Sep 1891
XXXXKeogh Mary Ann Middlesbro' 9d 560
Deaths Dec 1897
Keogh George 49 Middlesbro' 9d 368
Deaths Dec 1898
Keogh Ellen 0 Middlesbro' 9d 345
Marriages Dec 1908
XXXXKEOGH Mary Ann Middlesbro' 9d 1199

Hello, have you got details of them on the 1891 census? Do you know if the above 1891 posted by safc is correct? Where did you get the info re Thomas occupation?
Any extra details might help us to find him :)

Posting just in case related- (Occupation of Wm Keogh caught my eye)

1901

Wm Keogh Head Married Male 35 1866 Fireman Ship Yard Ireland
Helen Keogh Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Scotland

Parish Garston
County Lancashire
Municipal ward North
Registration district West Derby
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3507
Folio 79
Page 48
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Ellen
Last name Keogh
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 20
Birth year 1871
Occupation -
Birth town Dublin
Birth town as transcribed DUBLIN
Birth county -
Birth place Ireland
Birth place other as transcribed CO DUBLIN
Street -
Town Linthorpe
Parish Linthorpe
City Middlesbrough
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Registration district Middlesbrough
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4014
Folio 155
Page 18
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Have you got their marriage certificate for their Father's names, their ages (possibly) and anything else useful?
Have you found them in 1891 census?

Is the daughter definitely Mary Ellen?
from free bmd:
Births Sep 1891
Keogh Mary Ann Middlesbro' 9d 560

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Do you know if Thomas had been married previously?

Added:
Just checked marriage, she is Mary Ann...
Marriages Dec 1908
BLAIR Edward Middlesbro' 9d 1199
KEOGH Mary Ann Middlesbro' 9d 1199

I am trying to find information on my great great grandparents I know they married in middlesbrough in Jan 1890 they were both from Ireland he was a fireman on a steamer and they had a daughter born in 1890/91 called mary Ellen my great great grandmothers maiden name was Bolton but when I check the census for 1901 I can't find them then in1911 mary Ellen appears married to Edward Blair but nothing in between especially for Thomas not even a death any help would be much appreciated