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Marriage certificate surname query

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UmmMerlin

UmmMerlin Report 10 Mar 2015 19:24

Hi there,

On a marriage certificate going back to 1877, the bride's name was Sarah Jane Ware and underneath it was written 'thereunto Stanbrook'.

What does this 'thereunto' mean?

Thanks for looking by!

Steph

Researching:
Upstone/Waterton/Cook - Hampshire/Kent Roberts/Burgess/Glasspool - Hampshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 10 Mar 2015 20:20

"besides" or "in addition to"

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

patchem

patchem Report 10 Mar 2015 20:36

On free bmd it acknowledges it as both:

Marriages Dec 1877
Burgess James Whitchurch, H. 2c 447
STANBROOK Sarah Jane Whitchurch, H. 2c 447
WARE Sarah Jane Whitchurch, H. 2c 447

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Mar 2015 21:40

Wonder why though!

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

UmmMerlin

UmmMerlin Report 10 Mar 2015 21:45

Thanks for responses.. I think I read somewhere that it could've been a stepfather's surname... :-S

Researching:
Upstone/Waterton/Cook - Hampshire/Kent Roberts/Burgess/Glasspool - Hampshire

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Mar 2015 09:20

It could have been the name of a step-father as suggested, or depending on her age, the name of a previous common-law partner.

Have you back-tracked her through census?

Researching:
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Potty

Potty Report 11 Mar 2015 12:13

The family in 1911:

Name:Jane Burgess
Age in 1911:65
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Overton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Overton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Street address:Red Lion Lane, Overton, Hants
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:35
Estimated Marriage Year:1876
Registration district:Whitchurch
Registration District Number:111
Sub-registration district:Whitchurch

James Burgess 72
Jane Burgess 65
Annie Ware 37 - daughter
Lily Burgess 22

and 1881

Name:
Jane Burgess
Age:33
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848
Relationship to Head:Wife
Spouse:James Burgess
Gender:Female
Where born:Hurstbourne, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Overton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Street address:High St
Marital Status:Married

James Burgess 41
Jane Burgess 33
Anne Burgess 7 the Ann Ware on the 1911? born before the 1877 marriage
Kate Burgess 5 possibly also born before the marriage
Rose Burgess 3
James Burgess 1
Ann Ware 63 show as Boarder, b Whitchurch

Education:

Employment status:



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Occupation:
Laundress

Registration district:
Whitchurch


Potty

Potty Report 11 Mar 2015 12:20

Is she shown as a spinster on the marriage cert and who is given as her father?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2015 13:13

???
Births Mar 1873
BURGESS Annie Whitchurch, H. 2c 207

Births Jun 1878
Burgess Rose Whitchurch H 2c 206

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 14 Mar 2015 10:34

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridge Street, Overton, Whitchurch, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Ware Head - Male 63 1808 - Hampshire, England Transcription born Andover
Ann Ware Wife - Female 48 1823 - Hampshire, England Transcription born Whitchurch
Sarah J Ware Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Hampshire, England Transcription born Hurstbourne
Moses Ware Son - Male 16 1855 - Hampshire, England born Hurstbourne

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 14 Mar 2015 10:46


Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)

Butterly Andrew Winchester 2c 153
Lock Caroline Winchester 2c 153
Tolfree Ann Winchester 2c 153
Ware William Winchester 2c 153

No explanation there...........!

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Mar 2015 20:55

Different wife????

Amelia Weare

in the 1861 England Census
Name: Amelia Weare
[Amelia Ware]
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: 1814 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Weare
Gender: Female
Where born: Hurstbourne, Hampshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Overton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Whitchurch
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 712
Folio: 149
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Weare 48 (born c1813, different from 1871 census)
Amelia Weare 47
Sarah Weare 12
Moses Weare 8
William Brown 60 - lodger

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Mar 2015 21:56

So far, I can't see births for Sarah Jane Ware/Stanbrook/Tolfree, or Ann Tolfree, nor a marriage of William Ware to an Amelia, nor a death of Amelia.

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Mar 2015 22:08

A tree on Ancestry says that William married Amelia Beckhurst in Reading, Berks in 1832 - no proof offered, and I can't see any record of such a marriage - and that she died between 1861 and 1871, which would certainly fit with the censuses, but I can't see any record of that, either..

ADDED:
Actually, it says her father's surname was Beakeast, so this will be the birth the tree owner thinks is hers:


Amelia Beakeast
England Births and Christenings
Name: Amelia Beakeast
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Mar 1811
Christening Place: MAPLEDURHAM,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Beakeast
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hannington
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13277-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 887483

MORE ADDED:

Aha!
This will be the marriage they mean:

Amelia Beakhurst
mentioned in the record of William Ware and Amelia Beakhurst
Name: William Ware
Spouse's Name: Amelia Beakhurst
Event Date: 1832
Event Place: Andover, Hampshire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05807-4 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1041198 , Reference ID: 2:QHFSKC


Still no sign of a Stanbrook, though.

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

UmmMerlin

UmmMerlin Report 15 Mar 2015 17:59

Thank you all, some great information here - I'll take a further look. :-)

Researching:
Upstone/Waterton/Cook - Hampshire/Kent Roberts/Burgess/Glasspool - Hampshire