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Wow I'm amazed at your search abilities. Yes they were in Southowram 1 border is with the Halifax town center.
I can't check further now as I am away from home.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Lewis (1848) says:
HALIFAX (St. John the Baptist), a parish, partly in the union of Todmorden, but chiefly in that of Halifax, wapentake of Morley, W. riding of York; comprising the market-town and borough of Halifax, the parochial chapelries of Elland and Heptonstall, and the townships of Barkisland, Erringden, Fixby, Hipperholme with Brighouse, Langfield, Midgley, Norland, Ovenden, North and South Owram, Rastrick, Rishworth, Shelf, Skircoat, Sowerby, Soyland, Stainland with Old Lindley, Stansfield, Wadsworth, and Warley;...etc
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england
Now, the missing piece is just one of several Haifax subdistrict pieces, and the rego district contains 10 subdistricts in 1861. here are th 1861 piece #s:
HALIFAX RD RG9
Rastrick 3274
Brighouse 3275-3276
Southowram 3277
Halifax 3278-3285
Elland 3286-3288
Ripponden 3289-3290
Sowerby 3291-3294
Luddenden 3295
Ovenden 3296-3298
Northowram 3299-3304
TODMORDEN RD RG9
Hebden Bridge 3230-3232
Todmorden 3233-3237
So were your folks in the Halifax subdistrct in 1851/71, or some other part of Halifax, like Ovenden subdistrict.
Looking at a modern map, I can't tell where one begins and the other ends.
(There's two municipalities adjacent to me with a similar blurring - even the street numbers continue as I cross the boundary; in fact the only clue one has that one's changed municipalities is that one crosses Boundary Rd.)
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If one goes to:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
and does an advanced search for all words Halifax & Missing within dept code rg9, one gets:
Registration District 498. HALIFAX
Reference: RG 9/3278
Description:
Registration Sub-District 4 Halifax.
Parish: Halifax (part) (Divided between RG 9/3230-3235 and 3274-3304); Hamlet: Halifax. Nearly all missing.
Date: 1861
Alternatively, if one searches for missing or damaged or decayed in dept codes ho107 (1841/51) or rg9-rg14 (1861-1911 respectively), one gets the following hits:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
year code miss dam dec
1841 ho107 34 4 0
1851 ho107 5 2 19
1861 rg9 853 0 0
1871 rg10 7 0 0
1881 rg11 20 0 0
1891 rg12 63 0 0
1901 rg13 2 0 0
1911 rg14 14 0 0
[some piece # repeated in multiple categories; also, some missing vessels in port repeated in multiple pieces]
One could also do a basic search for rg9/3278
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Robert ...............
the different sites have transcribed their own records from censuses ........ so it is well worth doing what MarieCeleste suggested
either search yourself on Ancestry, or ask for help on one of the Boards on here.
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Thanks to all for your help
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Use the old search, while it's still available.
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Thanks Jacqueline _ I'll give it a go when I've made a list of who's missing and when.
(I loathe the new FMP - hence the hair pulling :-( )
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Robert, if you post the details of the family, we could take a look - sometimes a second pair of eyes can find what a first can't.
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Right, namelessone
On FMP.......click on 'search' on toolbar
Then on A-Z of record sets, type in 1861, and select the census option
Scroll down a little - look right
Under 'Useful links and resources', click on the first option.......
hey presto!
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Robert - have you checked on other sites (e.g. Ancestry, FindMyPast, FamilySearch) to see if your family come up on there?
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Could Jacqueline please save me tearing more of my hair out and explain how she found the lists of missing records.
Thanks
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Sorry I now see there are some there - so must be the ones.
Many thanks for your help
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J,
Thanks for your guidance and direction - I have checked FMP, my missing transcriptions are in Halifax, West Riding of Yorkshire --
- which is not shown on the list.
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3278 West Yorkshire Halifax Halifax (4) Halifax I
3388 West Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds (3) Leeds NW Ward M
3652 North Yorkshire Guisborough Marske (2) Marske: Redcar I
3735 Durham Durham Lanchester (2) Brancepeth: Hedley Hope I
3855 Northumberland Castle Ward Stamfordham (2) Newburn: Black Callerton I
Butterlaw
East & West Whorlton
Newbiggin
East & West Denton
Newburn Hall
Sugley
3913 Cumberland Carlisle Wetheral (1) I
3984 Monmouthshire Monmouth Dingestow (2) Garway (Herefordshire) I
3984 Monmouthshire Monmouth Dingestow (2) Skenfreth I
4010 Monmouthshire Pontypool Pontypool (1) Mamhilad I
4013 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Goldcliff I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Llangattock I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Kemeys Inferior I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Tredunnock I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Llanhennock I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Llanmartin I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Magor: Redwick I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Witson a.k.a Whitson I
4014 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Nash I
4015 Monmouthshire Newport Caerleon (1) Caerleon M
4022 Monmouthshire Newport Newport (2) St Woollos & Newport M
4024 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Michaelstoneyvedw Llanvedw (Glamorganshire) I
4025 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Bettws I
4025 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Malpas I
4025 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Henllis I
4025 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Risca I
4025 Monmouthshire Newport St Woollos (3) Llanvihangel Llantarnam I
4027 Monmouthshire Newport Mynyddyslwyn (4) Machen: Upper & Lower Machen I
Rhydgwern (Glamorganshire)
4041 Glamorganshire Cardiff St Nicholas (3) Welsh St Donats I
4077 Glamorganshire Bridgend Bridgend (3) Ewenny I
4077 Glamorganshire Bridgend Bridgend (3) Merthyr Mawr I
4078 Glamorganshire Bridgend Bridgend (3) Laleston I
4079 Glamorganshire Bridgend Bridgend (3) Tythegston: Lower Tythegston I
4131 Carmarthenshire Llandilofawr Llandilo (4) Llandilofawr: Llandilo Town M
4132 Carmarthenshire Llandilofawr Llandebie (5) Llandebie I
4133 Carmarthenshire Llandilofawr Llandebie (5) Llandebie I
4137 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen St Clear"s (2) Laugharne M
4137 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen St Clear"s (2) Llansadurnen M
4137 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen St Clear"s (2) Llandawke M
4137 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen St Clear"s (2) St Clear"s M
4138 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen St Clear\"s (2) Llangunnock I
4143 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen Conwil (4) Llanllawddog I
4143 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen Conwil (4) Merthyr I
4143 Carmarthenshire Carmarthen Conwil (4) Abernant I
4146 Pembrokeshire Narberth Llanboidy (1) Llanfallteg I
4149 Pembrokeshire Narberth Narberth (4) Crinow I
4149 Pembrokeshire Narberth Narberth (4) Cilymaenllwyd: Castle-Dyrran (Carmarthenshire) I
4154 Pembrokeshire Pembroke Tenby (1) Caldy & St Margaret's Islands I
4161 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Milford (1) St Bride's I
4161 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Milford (1) Hasguard I
4163 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Haverfordwest (2) Harroldston St Issells I
4163 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Haverfordwest (2) Haverfordwest St Thomas I
4163 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Haverfordwest (2) Haverfordwest St Mary I
4164 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Haverfordwest (2) Haverfordwest St Mary: St Martin & Prendergast I
4165 Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Haverfordwest (2) Haverfordwest St Mary: Uzmaston I
4173 Cardiganshire Cardigan Newport (1) Newport (Pembrokeshire) I
4174 Cardiganshire Cardigan Newport (1) Nevern (Pembrokeshire) I
4178 Cardiganshire Cardigan Llandygwydd (3) Llanfihangelpenbedw (Pembrokeshire) I
4184 Cardiganshire Newcastle Emlyn Llandyssil (3) Llandyssil I
4185 Cardiganshire Newcastle Emlyn Llandyssil (3) Henllan I
4187 Cardiganshire Lampeter Pencarreg (2) Pencarreg (Carmarthenshire) I
4187 Cardiganshire Lampeter Pencarreg (2) Llanycrwys (Carmarthenshire): Fforest I
Mynachty
4187 Cardiganshire Lampeter Pencarreg (2) Cellan I
4187 Cardiganshire Lampeter Pencarreg (2) Llanfairclydogau I
4190 Cardiganshire Aberayron Llandisilio (1) Dihewid I
4196 Cardiganshire Aberystwyth Aberystwyth (2) Aberystwyth M
Llanbadarnfawr
Uchayndre
Issayndre
Upper & Lower Vainor
Broncastellan
Clarach
4202 Cardiganshire Tregaron Llangeitho (2) Nantcwnlle I
4211 Brecknockshire Brecknock Brecknock (3) Brecknock St David & Lower Division I
4225 Brecknockshire Hay Hay (3) Llanigon I
Glynfach
4225 Brecknockshire Hay Hay (3) Hay I
4225 Brecknockshire Hay Hay (3) Cusop (Herefordshire) I
4228 Radnorshire Presteigne Radnor (2) Radnor I
New Radnor
Upper Harpton
4231 Radnorshire Presteigne Kington (3) Stanton-upon-Arrow (Herefordshire) I
4256 Montgomeryshire Montgomery Chirbury (2) Chirbury I
4261 Montgomeryshire Llanfyllin Llansaintffraid (2) Llansaintffraid: Pool I
Deythur
4262 Montgomeryshire Llanfyllin Llansaintffraid (2) Guilsfield I
4263 Montgomeryshire Llanfyllin Llansaintffraid (2) Guilsfield I
4263 Montgomeryshire Llanfyllin Llansaintffraid (2) Llanfyllin I
4265 Montgomeryshire Llanfyllin Llanrhaiade (3) Llanarmonmynyddmawr (Denbighshire) I
4266 Flintshire Holywell Whitford (1) Gwaenysgor I
4270 Flintshire Holywell Holywell (2) Holywell I
4272 Flintshire Holywell Flint (3) Northop I
Caerfallwch
Golftyn
Wepre
Leadbrook Major & Minor
Kelsterton
Soughton & Cunnah's Quay
4274 Flintshire Holywell Mold (4) Cilcen I
Rhesycae
Cefyn
Llan a.k.a. Tre-Llan
Llysdanhunedd
Llysycoed
Maesygroes
Mechlas
Trellynian
4276 Flintshire Holywell Mold (4) Mold I
Leeswood
Gwernafield
Arddynwent
Nerquis
Gwsaney
Hartsheath
Hendrebiffa
4280 Denbighshire Wrexham Ruabon (3) Erbistock I
4290 Denbighshire Ruthin Ruthin (2) Efenechtyd I
4291 Denbighshire Ruthin Llanelidan (3) Llanfairdyffrynclwyd M
Llanelidan
Derwen
4295 Denbighshire St Asaph St Asaph (1) Bodfary (Flintshire) I
4295 Denbighshire St Asaph St Asaph (1) Dymeirchion (Flintshire) I
4295 Denbighshire St Asaph St Asaph (1) Dyserth (Flintshire) I
4297 Denbighshire St Asaph St Asaph (1) Meriadog I
4298 Denbighshire St Asaph Abergele (2) St George I
4299 Denbighshire St Asaph Abergele (2) Llanddulas I
4299 Denbighshire St Asaph Abergele (2) Bettwsynrhos a.k.a. Bettwsabergele I
4301 Denbighshire St Asaph Denbigh (3) Llanefydd I
4301 Denbighshire St Asaph Denbigh (3) Henllan: Trefrant I
Bylchan
4309 Denbighshire Llanrwst Llanrwst (1) Llanrwst I
4314 Merionethshire Bala Bala (1) Llangower I
4319 Merionethshire Dolgelly Barmouth (2) Llanfachreth I
4319 Merionethshire Dolgelly Barmouth (2) Llanelltyd I
4330 Carnarvonshire Pwllheli Pwllheli (2) Penrhos I
4330 Carnarvonshire Pwllheli Pwllheli (2) Llanor I
4330 Carnarvonshire Pwllheli Pwllheli (2) Denio I
Pwllheli
4344 Carnarvonshire Carnarvon Carnarvon (3) Carnarvon M
Llanbeblig
Llanfaglan
4389 Islands in the British Seas Le Marchant Great & Little Sark
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From FMP - the list of missing pieces for 1861
45 Middlesex Islington Islington East (2) Islington M
217 Middlesex West London West London North (1) St Bartholomew the Less I
219 Middlesex West London West London South (2) Barnard"s Inn M
220 Middlesex London City London City SW (1) St Augustine Watling Street I
229 Middlesex London City London City NE (5) St Christopher le Stock I
407 Kent Greenwich Woolwich Arsenal (6) Woolwich M
473 Kent North Aylesford Northfleet (1) Ifield I
485 Kent Malling East Peckham (2) Wateringbury: Lily Hoe I
499 Kent Maidstone Loose (3) Barming I
499 Kent Maidstone Loose (3) West Barming I
541 Kent Eastry Wingham (2) Goodnestone I
565 Sussex Battle Battle (3) Penhurst I
601 Sussex Brighton The Palace (3) Brighton M
690 Hampshire Winchester The Worthys (2) Lainston I
758 Berkshire Windsor Egham (1) Thorpe (Surrey) I
837 Hertfordshire Hemel Hempstead Kings Langley (1) Flaunden I
863 Buckinghamshire Wycombe Princes Risborough (5) Illmire I
903 Oxfordshire Woodstock Woodstock (2) Wootton M
Stonesfield
Combe
Woodstock
Blenheim
Bladon
Hensington
Begbroke
Shipton on Cherwell
Hampton-Gay
Hampton-Poyle
Kidlington
Gosford
Thrup
Water-Eaton
Woolvercot
Yarnton
Cassington
Worton
952 Northamptonshire Wellingborough Higham Ferrers (2) Irchester I
952 Northamptonshire Wellingborough Higham Ferrers (2) Irthlingborough I
1039 Cambridgeshire Ely Ely (3) Ely Trinity M
Ely College
Ely St Mary
Stuntney
Chettisham
1047 Cambridgeshire Wisbech Leverington (1) Tydd St Giles I
1047 Cambridgeshire Wisbech Leverington (1) Leverington: Parson Drove I
1079 Essex Chelmsford Widford Moulsham M
1194 Norfolk Yarmouth Yarmouth Northern (2) Great Yarmouth: Cobham Island I
1234 Norfolk Depwade Forncett (4) Great Moulton M
Aslacton
Forncett St Peter
Forncett St Mary
Hapton
Ashwellthorpe
Fundenhall
Tacolnestone
Bunwell
Carleton-Rode
Tibenham
1984 Staffordshire Wolverhampton Tettenhall (1) Pattingham: Rudge (Shropshire) I
2211 Warwickshire Rugby Rugby (1) Newbold-upon-Avon: Little Lawford I
Long Lawford
2211 Warwickshire Rugby Rugby (1) Monks Kirby: Easenhall I
2247 Leicestershire Lutterworth Lutterworth (1) Claybrooke: Wigston Parva I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Hatton I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Baumber a.k.a. Bamburgh I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Gautby I
2365 Lincolnshire Horncastle Wragby (1) Waddingworth I
2625 Cheshire Great Boughton Chester Castle (2) Chester St John the Baptist I
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GR doesn't transcribe anything
If you look at 1861 on one of the other sites (Ancestry or FMP) which DO transcribe records you will find a list of all the missing pieces
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I was wondering Is there a list of records that have not yet been transcribed on GR as I have part of a family that is missing from the 1861 census but are there on the 1851 and 1871 census.
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